Perhaps some kind of vassal like relationship for members post foundation?

Say you build up relations, get them in an alliance, then they can diplomatically become a client state. They would still be seperate nations, but there would be a major diplomatic boost, and perhaps a bonus to becomming a vassal (not sure if that would actually be possible).

Even if it's not possible to increase the popularity of vassalization, with the Federation being so strong, it wouldn't take long for a massive realtions boost to translate into an offer of vassalization.

Then it's just diploannex and sector.

You could just rename the vassal mechanic as 'Pending Federation Membership' kinda thing, and that 10 year integrate delay is the pending time (beurocracy, red tape etc.). Then when they are integrated, they're integrated like how the other three founders are integrated, keeping their homeworld semi-independent but giving up all other territory.

I kinda think the federation should be blocked from joining a coalition because the federation is already a coalition. But still able to form alliances.

Played this mod a while now. But mostly as UFP, but has anyone seen the AI form the Federation?

I've seen the AI form it once. I'm hoping it becomes easier to form, for both the player and the AI. Without the Federation, the Alpha quadrant becomes the Space Balkans.

Any suggestions on how to get rid of the Benzarites who are part of my alliance but won't vote to the form a coalition?

Personally, I don't like the "Form the Federation" event. I get the idea—in Star Trek, the Federation often acts like a singular unified force. However, playing the game, when I got the event and basically 1-click conquered everyone's space, I honestly wished I hadn't clicked it, and a Star Trek mod shouldn't make me regret forming the Federation. In my view, if the choices are basically vasalizing the Vulcans, Tellarites, and Andorians, or just having a normal Federation like in Stellaris, my choice is on a normal Federation. I just do not want to micromanage disconnected systems that didn't belong to me 5 seconds ago.

Trekky0623 - to be fair, if we used the vanilla mechanics for Federations I think most players would complain about it. Vanilla Federations just aren't fun according to most players.

The concept is that colonies and outposts get ceded to the Federation government but the homeworlds keep a degree of autonomy.

I'm not sure that I understand why you would have to micromanage? Stick the planets in a sector if you don't want to control them?



For argument's sake though, what would you have preferred to happen on the founding event? Keeping in mind that the "do nothing" option is there. How would the Federation look in your preferred scenario?





Everyone else - we're going to be updating the mod at some point with an updated Federation formation criteria. Now, you only require that United Earth and at least one of the other three founders are in a Coalition together. So getting Earth, Vulcan, Bajor and Bolarus in a coalition will trigger it. Or Earth, Andoria, Benzar and Tellar.

Homeworlds now become a new "Member World" country type with limited diplomacy and a reduction in border radius, so you shouldn't find your territory too misaligned.

Again, let us know how you'd like to improve this!

The Way homeworlds remain vassals is both nice and also annoying since you dont get their spaceports and resources which the federation would have access to.
How about making them normal vassals? Anyone could pick their poison if they integrate them fully or keep them like that.

I wish integrating species into the already formed Federation was easier.

Bolians and Benzari have an alliance and i have no idea how i could possibly integrate them UFP style.
Sure, i could always wage a liberation war against them and immidiatly vassalize the new installed goverment, but that's the silly stellaris way of doing it, not the diplomatic way the Federation would offer.

Keeping them as normal vassals introduces a few other problems with them building outposts etc.

I'm working on a few events that will allow Federation players with protectorates or vassals to convert those subjects into "Applicant" subjects and then eventually full Member Worlds. Which should help with the Federation expansion process.

We need to some how introduce a mechanic that allows even races who are in other alliances/collations to ally with the UFP if relations/trust is high. Is that possible?

I like how the homeworlds stay independent.

So now, you have to be united earth to form it, or you just need United earth in the coalition. So if I play as Vulcans in a coalition with United earth, Bajor, Andoria, and Belarus, then the UFP can form AND will incorporate ALL coalition members?

So for peaceful federation expansion, it'll go
Vassal/protectorate/etc. => applicant status (integrating?) => member status (keeps homeworld, losses everything else)
Is that how it'll go??

Originally posted by walshicus:

I'm not sure that I understand why you would have to micromanage? Stick the planets in a sector if you don't want to control them?

By micromanage, I guess I mean that, the first time I got to the Form the Federation event, I was not prepared to have my personal territory I was managing expand 4x. That's a lot of territory I have to take care of now that I wasn't prepared for. I don't know, I just know that I do not like this mechanic of vassalizing everyone.

Originally posted by walshicus:

For argument's sake though, what would you have preferred to happen on the founding event? Keeping in mind that the "do nothing" option is there. How would the Federation look in your preferred scenario?

May I suggest something similar to the Iron Federation Mod, where whoever forms the Federation becomes the permanent leader? That would fix some of the annoyances that pop up in stock Stellaris Federations.

I'm probably in the minority with these concerns.

I really like that the founding members retain autonomy, it makes me feel like i actually have a federation.... not an empire. That said, i would really dig if i could add others to the federation after the formation of the UFP. Perhaps if you have an high relations with another empire, the UFP would get an event asking if they would like to invite the other empire to join, and if the other country is amenable to the request, then they get integrated.
Another thing, is it possible to have research agreements with the other member states after forming the UFP?
And finally, i feel like the UFP should receive the technology to colonize all the planet types that the other members have as homeworlds, EG P, M4, O. I realize that this will become obsolete when Heinlein rolls out (no tech requirements to colonize planet types) but it would be nice until then.
Thanks for the mod by the way, it's the most fun i've had in stellaris in a long time!

Building on The One Eyed Wanderer's thoughts, I'd like to see something like the following happen with the federation formation chain:

1) If the other homeworlds are going to retain autonomy (with no option to integrate them later) can we disable their ability to build new frontier outposts? After formation happens in my previous play throughs I pick up all of their outposts, which is fine, but then they quickly build more around choice planets I'd like to colonize later.
2) Either research agreements or shared technology (I don't know if that is even possible with this game) between all members as happened ahead of the formation of the federation in canon; i.e. vulcans shared warp 7 technology with Earth after coalition of planets was formed.

I really like the direction you guys are taking with allowing for better options for peaceful expansion of the federation!

Fully integrating members and gaining all their techs would prevent any outpost shenanigans the ai might do and give the UFP a coherent space. On the alternative map it's really annoying how Andoria and Vulcan split the Federation apart.
I've save edited the members to become normal vassals. After integrating them my UFP has the look'n feel of a real cultural melting pot without homeworld ghettos.