@Sirbakat you could also just edit those values yourself in the files

Ah ok, thanks. I just thought you knew something I might be missing coz I'm a complete rim baby. Greatly apreciate your efforts with these mod updates.

@sirbakat I cant really answer for the design decisions of the original author

I don't understand the benefit of the steel grate. It has filth and cleaning time maxet at 100%. How is a .4 cleanliness score better than a paved tile with 80% cleaning time and no -1 beauty? Shouldn't grate have fith of 30% or less like straw matting to simulate dirt falling through?

@Tsunatus https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1180719857

I am using clean pathfinding but none of the values i can modify will make them use the panels

Is there a recommended mod to force my pawns to actually use these floors.
I have a 3x3 corridor with the middle being entirely sensor panels but none of the pawns wish to use this and would rather use my hex steel tiles. It is somewhat driving me insane as they would rather take a longer path to reach the destination.

I made the sensor panels be like freeways in my colony and they would rather circumnavigate my entire colony then walk on the panels.

@The Mercenary No, all fences in the mod are impassable

Quick question, can you cross chainlink fences or the High Security ones?

@Angel Soulstar, Vanilla Furniture Expanded - Architect, has Cell Walls and doors. They can't be attacked by prisoners.

@ozfresh Nothing has been changed in the mod, you may be thinking of another mod

Didn't the steel grating floors used to be stuffable? i really need to find where I got the stuffable steel grating floors. This is the only mod I can find with them, but they aren't stuffable. Please HelP!

@Angel Soulstar Please post links to mods that need updating on the Discord server

Hi @Mlie, I don't know if it's the best way to ask for it but I've been looking for something fitting for my prisons layout, I used this mod back in days but it's not supported anymore : https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2566693272&searchtext=Prison+Walls

Do you know if you could something similar or make a continuation for it ? Do you take comission for this ?

@Yoko Yes

are you able to shoot through the chainlink fence?

FUUUUUDDDggge just saw the note about fast pawns.... was wondering why my speed demon was stuck..... well crap can't really use this mod now.... are there any other floor options that can speed up the rest of my pawns without screwing up my speed demon?

i agree, i just use tons of security gates to shoot through, but i hate seeing the red X's when i forbid them from use and that also stops them from being repaired.

Is it possible to make security fences able to be shot through? maybe on a mod option toggle so that if some want them to be able to shot through they can turn it on and for the people who do not want to shot through they can leave it off? I just love the look and feel of security fences as my outer defensive wall but not being able to shot through it means i cant use if in my builds that way. I imagine the wall having shooting holes built into it or a scaffolding to allow pawns to stand near the top and shot over. Thanks for the mod and the consideration.

@Kriegsbestie Yes, see the note above regarding fast pawns

@leaningoakranch The high security fence cannot be shot through, the others can.

Excuse me if this has been asked before, but can you shoot/stab through the chain link and security fences. I was thinking these would make a good quick option for a murderhole kind of thing. Let raiders pour into fenced in area. Have colonist lock gate behind them. Shoot everyone inside. Like a killbox setup, but without having to build actual walls.

Thanks

@ShyGuySpirit They should

Can this hold prisoners? Chainlink and High Security Fence? I figure the other two don't already.

oh
okay then. well, thanks for the tip

@Don Sebastian Afaik that issue is a vanilla pathing issue and not something I can fix. Thats is why I mention it in the description

there we go
https://controlc.com/c16afb06

here's the log I sometimes get when my pawns are stuck 'Standing'
https://controlc.com/918faea4

annnd I can't seem to be getting the same issue with robots for now.

also, afaic, it's not savefile-corrupting as some people say. you can even avoid the crash by pausing the game and recalling the bots when you realize your game is lagged out.
the freeze will pass after that, but the game will remain laggy until you restart it

also, I'm not 100% sure this issue with robots has to do with sensor panels. it might be a separate issue altogether

the issue with robots that was reported last july is still relevant
it has do with these sensor panel things from this mod and their walkspeed bonus, I think

if you have a lot of sensor panels, multiple entrances to a room and/or a pawn that is too fast, you'll get an issue where the pawn is stuck 'Standing' indefinitely. sometimes they'll get unstuck, plot a crazy detour path for themselves and then follow it. the game won't crash tho

the robots from robots++ mod won't plot anything. if they get this error, this will cause a crash too.

will post logs later

@Zandala They are considered cleaner in the same way as sterile tiles only at a lower value. They still take filth.

Do the grated floor panels actually do anything? Dirt and animal filth still seem to fall on them, and the details of it show it having no lowered filth amount.

@Mlie oh wow, thank you, I was about to try find out how to make a personal patch for this mod to do that, but that is alot easier and more convenient

@Gunseeker I built a whole mod for organizing the architect menu, perhaps you can use that for getting the menu the way you want it?
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2138635288

A suggestion, you should make this mod (or a patch for this mod) to put all of the fences in the regular structures tab instead of its own "Fences" tab in order to avoid the extra architect menu clutter.

@Hyperion Any logs?

If you use Robots++ be aware that the game crash if T4+ robots move over the sensor panels floor. Well for me anyway.

Thank you for the update.

@Angry Looking at the game-code it seems that since the change to terrain-speed in B19, having negative speed-limits on terrain causes issues with fast pawns. Not sure there is anything I can do about it without messing with the pathfinding of the game. Something Id rater not as its very complex.

As soon as I removed (dev mode) the hediff that gave him the 80% speed increase he went down to 5.23 c/s and pathed from the same point to the same destination with no issues.

@Mlie

https://imgur.com/3p04Nh4

The red dot is a pawn with 80% speed increase.

He is trying to path to the blue which is shown by the grey line.

The thin yellow line is the path he should take to get there, it passes trough many sensor panels.

Most pawns have no issue doing the same path. The average pawn speed in this colony is 4.7 c/s while the affected pawn is 10.94 c/s)

@Mlie

It doesn't seem to be an on/off situation, it happens more often as the pawn's speed increases.

At 400% speed increase the pawn will struggle most of the time to get around anywhere if sensor panels are in his path.

At 80% speed increase the pawn won't struggle, except in a few cases (when there's a long distance to travel with many sensor panels).

Small, like 12%, increase in speed doesn't seem to affect the pawn negatively at all.

The sensor panel speed (up to 433% in my tests) doesn't seem to affect the issue positively or negatively. It doesn't happen if there's no speed increase, but then it just acts as a normal floor.

If I use a pathfinding mod to restrict (not use) sensor panels and make the affected pawns travel along the same distance they won't struggle.

tl;dr: It seems the game's pathfinding doesn't like floor speed increases.

@Angry Its on the todo-list. Do you have an example of what kind of speed is needed to trigger it?

@Mlie

Could you take a look at the issue Observer mentioned back in november? Pawns with high movement speed are having issues pathing trough sensor panels, they just stand in place. Sometimes I have to replace bionics with with prosthetics to avoid the issue.

It's an old bug that never got fixed.

@Geronimo

I think you might have a mod conflict somewhere or hardware issue, I have a base with hundreds of panels and never had the issue you describe.

Ok can confirm there is an issue with these floors. After building them, say more than 10-20 tiles, these floors will lock the game, which then hard locks my computer requiring a hard restart. Tested this three times. Im unsure if only the sensor panel flooring causes this issue or if all the floors of this mod cause it. I only But definitely avoid using the sensor flooring or have some saves prior to building them. Needs fixed.

built a few. walk speed is 162% for anyone curious.

what move speed bonus do the sensor panel flooring add? it it over 100% to justify the cost?

Can we get a variant that's just the floors now that fences are just a thing in vanilla? (I remember having seen a variant that's just the fences at one point)

It'd only make sense for the Steel Grating to have a filth multiplier less than 100%. Maybe since it doesn't absorb much as hay, perhaps 25%?

they still have the downside of being ugly too.