Now that all retro games have the ability to have achievements added...

[Gordikk]

I wonder if we'll see more being added. Has anyone seen any recently?

I have been told in the past that a major obstacle is a lack of original source code, but with Ghilda that's no longer a problem.

[ShelLuser]

Achievements are one thing, Steam cards is where the real action is at in my opinion because those allow you to have fun with the game outside of the game.

[Spawn of Totoro]

Messaggio originale di Gordikk:

I wonder if we'll see more being added. Has anyone seen any recently?

I have been told in the past that a major obstacle is a lack of original source code, but with Ghilda that's no longer a problem.

Achievements are added by the game's developer, so you will need to ask the developer of the game to add such achievements to their games.

Valve/Steam does not make that decision, nor do they have any authorization to edit a games code, that they do not own.

[JPMcMillen]

Messaggio originale di Gordikk:

I wonder if we'll see more being added. Has anyone seen any recently?

I have been told in the past that a major obstacle is a lack of original source code, but with Ghilda that's no longer a problem.

It really depends on whether the development team is still around and they want to spend time and money working on it. Having the source code is only useful if you have people that know how it all works so they know what they need to add to make it work.

In some cases it might be very easy to add achievements to a game, for others it might be quite difficult. Honestly though, I wouldn't ever count on it.

And personally, I never really cared if a game had achievements or not. Especially given the backlog of games I have, in most cases I'm just happy to finish the game and would prefer to move on to something else instead of endlessly grinding away at it over some achievements. If it's one's that wouldn't be hard to get, that's one thing. But some are just not worth the time I could otherwise be spending moving on with other things.

[Gordikk]

I know it's the developer and not Steam but there are plenty of newly added retro titles to steam and whoever brought them would have the ability with this tool should they choose to do it.

[Gordikk]

Messaggio originale di ShelLuser:

Achievements are one thing, Steam cards is where the real action is at in my opinion because those allow you to have fun with the game outside of the game.

Thank you for your completely useless off topic comment. Very helpful!

[wuddih]

Messaggio originale di Gordikk:

I have been told in the past that a major obstacle is a lack of original source code, but with Ghilda that's no longer a problem.

with what?

and btw. you require access to the games code to implement Steam achievements.

[ShelLuser]

Messaggio originale di Gordikk:

Messaggio originale di ShelLuser:

Achievements are one thing, Steam cards is where the real action is at in my opinion because those allow you to have fun with the game outside of the game.

Thank you for your completely useless off topic comment. Very helpful!

Hardly offtopic, this is Steam Discussions isn't it? And since you mentioned yourself that all retro games have achievements added (which isn't true btw) doesn't it make sense to think and comment on the possible next step ahead? Which, in my opinion, are Steam cards.

I suppose I could have commented how your statement is totally not true, considering that Fallout 3 (which is pretty much on the verge of a retro game) does not have any Steam achievements (nor cards I might add).

Is it possible that you may believe all games have achievements because the "stats" links in your games list make it look that way?


Anyway, if you don't enjoy different opinions then maybe... not post in a public discussions forum? Weird idea, I know...

[JPMcMillen]

Messaggio originale di Gordikk:

I know it's the developer and not Steam but there are plenty of newly added retro titles to steam and whoever brought them would have the ability with this tool should they choose to do it.

It really comes down to the developer or publisher deciding if the cost to add them will lead to enough additional sales to cover said cost. It's called 'Return on Investment (ROI)". If a $10K investment will only lead to $5K in additional sales, it's not worth doing.

In truth, achievements shouldn't be a deciding factor when buying a game. If it's a good game you want to play, buy it and play it.

[Gordikk]

Messaggio originale di wuddih:

Messaggio originale di Gordikk:

I have been told in the past that a major obstacle is a lack of original source code, but with Ghilda that's no longer a problem.

with what?

and btw. you require access to the games code to implement Steam achievements.

Ghilda, will reverse engineer anything.

[Gordikk]

Messaggio originale di ShelLuser:

Messaggio originale di Gordikk:

Thank you for your completely useless off topic comment. Very helpful!

Hardly offtopic, this is Steam Discussions isn't it? And since you mentioned yourself that all retro games have achievements added (which isn't true btw) doesn't it make sense to think and comment on the possible next step ahead? Which, in my opinion, are Steam cards.

I suppose I could have commented how your statement is totally not true, considering that Fallout 3 (which is pretty much on the verge of a retro game) does not have any Steam achievements (nor cards I might add).

Is it possible that you may believe all games have achievements because the "stats" links in your games list make it look that way?


Anyway, if you don't enjoy different opinions then maybe... not post in a public discussions forum? Weird idea, I know...

I never said all games have achievements, I said they can now that source code and be reverse engineered. Read it again and do it better.

[cinedine]

Messaggio originale di Gordikk:

Messaggio originale di wuddih:

with what?

and btw. you require access to the games code to implement Steam achievements.

Ghilda, will reverse engineer anything.

Have you ever tried to look through reverse-engineered code, change it and recompile it?
There are lots of decompilers for C++, C#, Java, ... available. That doesn't mean anyone is going to bother with it. Even less so for games that sell for less than a fiver and rarely.

[Gordikk]

Most of the games I'm interested in are at least a 10er if not more.

[JPMcMillen]

Messaggio originale di Gordikk:

Most of the games I'm interested in are at least a 10er if not more.

The real question is 'how many copies do we sell a month?' and 'how many more copies will we sell if we add achievements?'.
If the increase in sales isn't enough to justify the cost of adding them (as that can end up being huge), no company is going to waste more time and resources on the matter.

I think some very vocal achievement hunters vastly overestimate how important achievements are to most Steam users. They're a fun bonus and can be enjoyable to collect if not too grindy or insanely difficult to get. But I don't think most people are all that troubled about whether they can 100% most/all the games they own.

[cinedine]

Messaggio originale di JPMcMillen:

I think some very vocal achievement hunters vastly overestimate how important achievements are to most Steam users.

On PSN trophy forum someone bothered to find the numbers. Based on console sales and people who signed up on a tracking website with at least one gold trophy (usually for completing the game) ... They came out at something in the area of 0.1 % or less. And that's still not people actually bothering with it.

It's easy to overestimate one's importance if you socialize with a group of like-minded.

I mean, most people are perfectly happy buying the yearly iterations of FIFA and CoD and/or spend their money in microtransactions like in CS:GO.

[Spawn of Totoro]

Messaggio originale di Gordikk:

I know it's the developer and not Steam but there are plenty of newly added retro titles to steam and whoever brought them would have the ability with this tool should they choose to do it.

Then you need to ask the game's developer. Posting this here will not get anyone to add achievements to older games.

There is also the cost involved in adding the achievements. Why would they add them to an old game that does not sell much these days? Would they even be able to make enough to cover the cost of adding the achievements?