Can we get a full guide for the 'Worthy' achievement?

[Mistress Spitfire]

I know that even though it's at 0% completion, some players do have it. And I do not want to join the discord to have to find out exactly where each blue crystal is in the Other Side (the stage is difficult enough as it is).

Can someone post a full walkthrough on the routes you need to take to find every single secret? I know video speedruns already exist but I'd rather have thorough clarification on exactly where to go with screenshots or something.

EDIT: Seems the discord only has the strategy for one of the three crystals, which is disappointing. Could someone who's done the achievement upload a guide on here and not discord, please?

[Californ1a]

Originally posted by Mistress Spitfire:

EDIT: Seems the discord only has the strategy for one of the three crystals, which is disappointing.

All of them are in there, but only text hints, not a direct guide giving away the secrets, since most people like to try to figure it out themselves and only want a little help on where to look.

If you're only looking for a video though, try checking out the speedruns for it:
https://www.speedrun.com/distance/run/z51nvwnm

[Mistress Spitfire]

Originally posted by Californ1a:

All of them are in there, but only text hints, not a direct guide giving away the secrets, since most people like to try to figure it out themselves and only want a little help on where to look.

If you're only looking for a video though, try checking out the speedruns for it:
https://www.speedrun.com/distance/run/z51nvwnm

I have checked out some of the speedruns for it, but the videos aren't exactly the clearest and it's hard to tell exactly where they're going and what they're doing.

I don't see why there can't be a full written guide for finding 'em, it's challenging enough to get just one of the three (the fire one, the route you have to take for it is incredibly difficult and you pretty much have to do a perfect run or you don't have time to open the door). I'd find a full written strategy with screenshots a lot easier on the eyes, but that's just me.

[Californ1a]

The reason most people who have gotten the achievement aren't going to write a guide for it is because it's meant to be a hidden secret and a puzzle, so you're going to be hard-pressed to find someone who has gotten it and is willing to write a guide for it because they already had to do the leg-work in figuring it out on their own (for the most part). Writing a guide for it would lessen their own accomplishment and the time they spent trying to go for it. I'd assume the first person to write a guide for it would probably be someone who watched a speedrun for it just to knock the achievement out rather than actually caring about the requirements to obtain it or enjoying the puzzle and valuing the effort the devs put into making it. I can understand if puzzles aren't your thing, but there's really no need to go for it if you don't enjoy the process of going for it - it only unlocks a cosmetic (which only appears locally, not even in online or global replays).

[Mistress Spitfire]

Originally posted by Californ1a:

The reason most people who have gotten the achievement aren't going to write a guide for it is because it's meant to be a hidden secret and a puzzle, so you're going to be hard-pressed to find someone who has gotten it and is willing to write a guide for it because they already had to do the leg-work in figuring it out on their own (for the most part). Writing a guide for it would lessen their own accomplishment and the time they spent trying to go for it. I'd assume the first person to write a guide for it would probably be someone who watched a speedrun for it just to knock the achievement out rather than actually caring about the requirements to obtain it or enjoying the puzzle and valuing the effort the devs put into making it. I can understand if puzzles aren't your thing, but there's really no need to go for it if you don't enjoy the process of going for it - it only unlocks a cosmetic (which only appears locally, not even in online or global replays).

If it was a hidden secret, it wouldn't have an achievement for it that blatantly tells the player "HEY! YOU'RE MISSING SOME CONTENT HERE!". Surely the accomplishment for it is the actual skill required to reach each of the blue crystals? Once one person figures it out, the knowledge is shared around. I mean, if you didn't want anyone else to find out, surely you wouldn't post hints for it in the discord, no? Seems a bit hypocritical to me.

[Californ1a]

Just because there's an achievement for something doesn't mean it isn't a hidden secret, and it's certainly not missing content, since there's no content unlocks from completing it.

Also, it's not that we don't anyone else to figure it out, we definitely do, but we just don't want to outright specifically say what is required and completely discard all the cool puzzle stuff the devs put work into creating for it. The hints in the discord are just guidelines to help people know where to look without actually giving away the puzzle solutions, so they can still figure it out on their own.

[Mistress Spitfire]

Originally posted by Californ1a:

Just because there's an achievement for something doesn't mean it isn't a hidden secret, and it's certainly not missing content, since there's no content unlocks from completing it.

Also, it's not that we don't anyone else to figure it out, we definitely do, but we just don't want to outright specifically say what is required and completely discard all the cool puzzle stuff the devs put work into creating for it. The hints in the discord are just guidelines to help people know where to look without actually giving away the puzzle solutions, so they can still figure it out on their own.

An achievement unlocks for completing it. The achievement itself directly hints to the player that they're missing something, and I'd like to have the game as 100% completed. Can the hints not be posted in a guide anywhere else OUTSIDE of the discord? Seems a little unfair to gate people out of even a few hints just because they don't wish to join it.

Just because people want to get the achievement and not do the gruelling search for an obscure secret, doesn't mean that they're 'missing out' on the puzzle, it just means they wish to skip out on smashing their face against the difficult trials in front of them to find one hidden path off track, the level's hard enough as it is. The lava trial for instance, you could tell someone all you like how exactly it's done, but unless they have the technical skill to actually fly to each of the required switches to open the way, they'll never solve it.

[Californ1a]

Originally posted by Mistress Spitfire:

An achievement unlocks for completing it. The achievement itself directly hints to the player that they're missing something, and I'd like to have the game as 100% completed.

Not necessarily. Personally, I think the achievement itself should have been marked as hidden on Steam, so you wouldn't see it. Not all unfinished achievements always mean that you've missed something; there's achievements for all kinds of things in games, some of them completely arbitrary without missing anything.

Originally posted by Mistress Spitfire:

Can the hints not be posted in a guide anywhere else OUTSIDE of the discord? Seems a little unfair to gate people out of even a few hints just because they don't wish to join it.

Not sure why you're against discord, it's a pretty good community over there, but yea I can copy/paste the hints pinned in there:

In sky where you gripfly, At the crab puzzle, there is a high jump. If you push yourself to go higher, like a specially designed flier, what is up there to bump?

In the puzzle of water, hidden in the big blue, puzzles galore to be seen. Pegged cylinders hang, as if from cabbles strang, but in the distance something waits to be sprang. Behind a bubble popped, a way to the top, and a temple where balls never stop.

The inferno rages on. Touch it and you're gone. At the end, something lies beyond. Two yellow discs sit up high, but you have no wings to fly. Please, do not cry. A special path is needed, but don't feel defeated, as it surely can be repeated.

Originally posted by Mistress Spitfire:

Just because people want to get the achievement and not do the gruelling search for an obscure secret, doesn't mean that they're 'missing out' on the puzzle, it just means they wish to skip out on smashing their face against the difficult trials in front of them to find one hidden path off track, the level's hard enough as it is.

Then I'd say the achievement isn't made for those kinds of people. Not everything is going to appeal to everyone, and there's no need for you to do something that doesn't appeal to you just for the sake of being able to say you've done it (when you really haven't and just followed behind someone else). It's no different from leeching a tough boss kill off a much stronger player in a mmo; you didn't actually kill the boss (even though you did a little bit of damage) so why should you get an achievement for killing it? What you're saying is that the boss is tough enough as-is, so you should be able to get the achievement by leeching, just by staying alive in the encounter without actually doing the killing.

[Mistress Spitfire]

Originally posted by Californ1a:

Not sure why you're against discord, it's a pretty good community over there, but yea I can copy/paste the hints pinned in there

https://www.reddit.com/r/discordapp/comments/9p5uyp/latest_tos_update_revokes_your_right_to_sue/
This among many other issues I have with discord's privacy policy. I also think it's stupid to gate information away to a secluded offcut of the playerbase, not everyone wants to feel forced into a 'community' to complete a game, so thank you for posting the hints here.

Originally posted by Californ1a:

Then I'd say the achievement isn't made for those kinds of people. Not everything is going to appeal to everyone, and there's no need for you to do something that doesn't appeal to you just for the sake of being able to say you've done it (when you really haven't and just followed behind someone else). It's no different from leeching a tough boss kill off a much stronger player in a mmo; you didn't actually kill the boss (even though you did a little bit of damage) so why should you get an achievement for killing it? What you're saying is that the boss is tough enough as-is, so you should be able to get the achievement by leeching, just by staying alive in the encounter without actually doing the killing.

Your analogy is incorrect though, the challenge isn't KNOWING what to do, it's actually doing it. To correct it, it'd be simply telling another player a strategy to defeat a boss so they can do it on their own. It's not like I'm handing off the controller to another player and saying 'You do it for me', I simply want it explained.

[Californ1a]

Originally posted by Mistress Spitfire:

Your analogy is incorrect though, the challenge isn't KNOWING what to do, it's actually doing it.

It's both. You're discarding the hidden and puzzle aspects of it simply because they don't appeal to you, and you want to fast-track your way to getting the achievement just for the sake of having it, rather than enjoying the process of obtaining it. That's fine, play the game however you want, but that's why, in general, people who do have the achievement probably aren't going to be writing a full guide for it, because they were the ones who did enjoy all aspects of it.

Originally posted by Mistress Spitfire:

To correct it, it'd be simply telling another player a strategy to defeat a boss so they can do it on their own. It's not like I'm handing off the controller to another player and saying 'You do it for me', I simply want it explained.

That is closer to, though not quite, what we're doing with the hints. If it was an optional boss in a room you never have to go to for any of the actual game content aside from the experience of this one boss, then the hints would be telling you what section of the game to look for the room in, but wouldn't tell you how to beat the boss. A full guide, like what you said you wanted in the OP, would be closer to what I originally said, a stronger player "guiding" you through a kill.

[Mistress Spitfire]

The game doesn't hint whatsoever that any of this extra content exists, though. Unless you stumble upon one of these crabs through sheer luck, you wouldn't even know there was extra content. The trailer for the update, plus the patch notes didn't directly say there was anything going on, purposely trying to hide it.

And I find it a little elitist that you say I'm deriving myself of the enjoyment of figuring out, but if I recall, wasn't actually solving the way to both the Other Side AND the entrance to the locked room inside a joint community effort? By your admission, ALL of you starved yourself of the satisfaction because you all seeked the help of your other peers.

[Californ1a]

Originally posted by Mistress Spitfire:

The game doesn't hint whatsoever that any of this extra content exists, though. Unless you stumble upon one of these crabs through sheer luck, you wouldn't even know there was extra content. The trailer for the update, plus the patch notes didn't directly say there was anything going on, purposely trying to hide it.

Exactly, and that's why I think it should have been a hidden achievement that didn't count toward the 100%.

Originally posted by Mistress Spitfire:

And I find it a little elitist that you say I'm deriving myself of the enjoyment of figuring out,

Not at all, I'm not saying that you aren't enjoying it, different people will enjoy different things. The puzzle stuff doesn't appeal to you, that's fine, not everything is going to appeal to everyone. You play however you want to play.

Originally posted by Mistress Spitfire:

but if I recall, wasn't actually solving the way to both the Other Side AND the entrance to the locked room inside a joint community effort? By your admission, ALL of you starved yourself of the satisfaction because you all seeked the help of your other peers.

No, most of the crabs in LtE were already known by many people far before the v1.2 update (they were all already there upon 1.0 release), and many people did Other Side totally on their own on day 1, and then we started helping out others with hints when they asked for them.

[TheEPROM9 LaTeX]

This video will run you though how to get it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3ZOJK71f9I

But it is still bloody hard. The one where the fire wall is chasing you is the hardest. You what to hit the buttons the guy does in the video & only those buttons, if you hit any others the magical door will not open.

[Mistress Spitfire]

Originally posted by TheEPROM9 LaTeX:

This video will run you though how to get it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3ZOJK71f9I

But it is still bloody hard. The one where the fire wall is chasing you is the hardest. You what to hit the buttons the guy does in the video & only those buttons, if you hit any others the magical door will not open.

I've already gotten the achievement. It was a pain, and much to SOME members of the community's disgust, I'll be posting a steam guide for it in the future when I find the time. I do appreciate the attempt for help though.

[NBlast]

Yeah, a full proper would be much appreciated. Worthy is one of the most obnoxious and annoying achievements I ever had a displeasure chase for. If you check my profile you can see clearly, that I've seen a lot in the past.

Guesswork, satisfaction-less secret hunting, extreme difficulty, annoying level design, bugs, new levels are visually ugly.

The seer amount of skill required to pass some sections would be annoying enough, but a requirement of near pre-cognition to notice those hidden passages and buttons is unreasonable for a person that doesn't have hundreds of hours of playtime here.

It was quite unworthy of my time.

[Cos]

Do you have to find all the blue crystals in one run?