Should veterans be sacrificed for new players?

[Shoah Kahn]

Should:
• new players will have lower standards, because they are unfamiliar with a given product and, therefore are easier to please; making game development easier / cheaper (stuff can be copy-pasted more liberally, for example)
• being less demanding, new players will more likely spend more money on the product (via DLC), than would more exacting players with higher standards
• everything "new" will have a given neuro-chemical dynamic that all but guarantees new players will have fun with a game they are willing to play; again, making development easier / cheaper

Should not:
• veterans are the demographic that make an I. P. a success and, thus, a market that should be held onto in order better ensure future success of that product line -- think: repeat customers
• newer players will not be able to provide the experienced input that can help make a product better; at least, not until they, too, become veterans
• veteran players who are happy with an iteration of an I. P. that they historically enjoy, will likely stick around much longer than new players will, and will then garner more revenue than the counterpart demographic (in the medium-to-longer term) -- think: "whales" in MMO's

What say you: Should veteran or long-time players of a given game I. P., genre, or brand be sacrificed at altar for a quick buck; or is it better to honour the commitment of those who have historically supported a franchise?

[Jerricky Jebates]

Ursprungligen skrivet av Mr2Thumbs:

Ursprungligen skrivet av Kiririn:

There is no hunt. The map marker instaspawns. You just set the GPS and call the uber.

Ah, yes. That's why people play MH. The walking to the monster is the most fun part!

keyword, Monster (HUNTER)

[Killance]

Ursprungligen skrivet av zero:

Ursprungligen skrivet av Kiririn:

There is no hunt. The map marker instaspawns. You just set the GPS and call the uber.

ok? and to hunt deer you sit in a tree and drink beer.

you realize hunting isn't about tracking right? its not called tracker hunter.

or did you forget paintballs and psychoserum existed? you have literally always been able to pop a single potion and go to the monster in seconds.

What? You don't want to clean up elder dragon snot for an hour until you can fight it?

CASUAL!

[zero]

Ursprungligen skrivet av Jerricky Jebates:

Ursprungligen skrivet av Mr2Thumbs:

Ah, yes. That's why people play MH. The walking to the monster is the most fun part!

keyword, Monster (HUNTER)

Ursprungligen skrivet av hunt, oxford:

pursue and kill (a wild animal) for sport or food.

notice the lack of tracking requirement, all you have to do is follow that big gorilla and smack it around

[Kiririn]

Ursprungligen skrivet av zero:

Ursprungligen skrivet av Kiririn:

There is no hunt. The map marker instaspawns. You just set the GPS and call the uber.

ok? and to hunt deer you sit in a tree and drink beer.

you realize hunting isn't about tracking right? its not called tracker hunter.

or did you forget paintballs and psychoserum existed? you have literally always been able to pop a single potion and go to the monster in seconds.

Paintballs were only useful once you found the monster. Psychoserum showed you the monsters on the map for a couple of seconds.

Monster Fighter Milds literally gives you permanent map markers, GPS, and an uber.

Game play is completely different.

Edit: It even lets you pick up fast food on the way.

[Echo2Omega]

Veterans would remember that updates bring new monsters that generally increase in difficulty.

[Mr2Thumbs]

Ursprungligen skrivet av Jerricky Jebates:

Ursprungligen skrivet av Mr2Thumbs:

Ah, yes. That's why people play MH. The walking to the monster is the most fun part!

keyword, Monster (HUNTER)

Have you ever hunted? It's the most boring thing in the world, up there with fishing. You literally just sit in a tree and wait for an animal to pass by. Or a deer blind. That's it. Or you can hunt ducks. Then you just send a dog out and they make all the ducks go flying off while you sit there and wait to shoot them.

Do you think these rednecks are out there sniffing deer ♥♥♥♥ and following game trails? No. They're sitting in their old faithful tree stand pounding a twelve pack of Busch Lite.

[zero]

Ursprungligen skrivet av Kiririn:

Ursprungligen skrivet av zero:

ok? and to hunt deer you sit in a tree and drink beer.

you realize hunting isn't about tracking right? its not called tracker hunter.

or did you forget paintballs and psychoserum existed? you have literally always been able to pop a single potion and go to the monster in seconds.

Paintballs were only useful once you found the monster. Psychoserum showed you the monsters on the map for a couple of seconds.

Monster Fighter Milds literally gives you permanent map markers, GPS, and an uber.

Game play is completely different.

and? the monster isn't moving every second, in fact they don't move from the zone for minutes at a time, 1 psy is all it takes to get to the monster and then it is functionally over for it.

your misunderstanding of what hunting is isn't on anyone but you.

the gameplay is quite literally the same, psy serium was in the first game, afterall.

[Kiririn]

Ursprungligen skrivet av zero:

Ursprungligen skrivet av Kiririn:

Paintballs were only useful once you found the monster. Psychoserum showed you the monsters on the map for a couple of seconds.

Monster Fighter Milds literally gives you permanent map markers, GPS, and an uber.

Game play is completely different.

and? the monster isn't moving every second, in fact they don't move from the zone for minutes at a time, 1 psy is all it takes to get to the monster and then it is functionally over for it.

your misunderstanding of what hunting is isn't on anyone but you.

the gameplay is quite literally the same, psy serium was in the first game, afterall.

https://i.imgflip.com/1rv3v9.jpg

[zero]

Ursprungligen skrivet av Kiririn:

Ursprungligen skrivet av zero:

and? the monster isn't moving every second, in fact they don't move from the zone for minutes at a time, 1 psy is all it takes to get to the monster and then it is functionally over for it.

your misunderstanding of what hunting is isn't on anyone but you.

the gameplay is quite literally the same, psy serium was in the first game, afterall.

https://i.imgflip.com/1rv3v9.jpg

buddy im not the one coming into threads to complain you don't like the mount you dont need to use lol, tell me where anything i said was wrong.

or was that a selfie? cause if so: that tracks

[Mr2Thumbs]

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Ursprungligen skrivet av Kiririn:

https://i.imgflip.com/1rv3v9.jpg

buddy im not the one coming into threads to complain you don't like the mount you dont need to use lol, tell me where anything i said was wrong.

or was that a selfie? cause if so: that tracks

Exactly. Dude is whining about the mount that isn't required lol.

[Based Duffle Bag Boi]

yes coz we need blood sacrifice to make this game run smoothly

[Kiririn]

Ursprungligen skrivet av zero:

Ursprungligen skrivet av Kiririn:

https://i.imgflip.com/1rv3v9.jpg

buddy im not the one coming into threads to complain you don't like the mount you dont need to use lol, tell me where anything i said was wrong.

or was that a selfie? cause if so: that tracks

https://ih1.redbubble.net/image.433268494.4476/flat,750x,075,f-pad,750x1000,f8f8f8.u1.jpg

[zero]

Ursprungligen skrivet av Kiririn:

Ursprungligen skrivet av zero:

buddy im not the one coming into threads to complain you don't like the mount you dont need to use lol, tell me where anything i said was wrong.

or was that a selfie? cause if so: that tracks

https://ih1.redbubble.net/image.433268494.4476/flat,750x,075,f-pad,750x1000,f8f8f8.u1.jpg

imagine getting this worked up lmao

[hoimingmissile]

Now you know how I felt about what FROM did to my beloved Armored Core. Revived the franchise just to cater to Souls fans smh

In other news, this is my first MH game so hah

[Kashra Fall]

Sacrificed? No, players choose if they want to participate in a product or not. They come to the conclusion on "Is it fun to me?

Ursprungligen skrivet av Shoah Kahn:

Ursprungligen skrivet av MartyrSaint:

So called "veterans" trying to pretend that Monster Hunter hasn't had sweeping changes across literally every single title since inception.

I think that's kind of acknowledged -- see below:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYno6GOjl9M

It's that these "sweeping changes" have now reached a threshold where the game is no longer about hunting monsters, as much as it is about selling a "cinematic experience".

No longer about hunting monsters? Friend, MH1 was you go outside of town with a target from the guild. Find the target and throw a paintball at it. Attack the target, then chase it back to wherever the hell it went and slay it.

What is the difference from, select a target, look at the map to see the target and go to it?

Answer? You take out the tedium. There was no hunting aspect of monster hunter, you simply learned about the monster. Its attacks, its weaknesses etc and of course, what you could acquire from it. The CLOSEST hunting we got, was in world, because you didn't know where it was until you knew more information about it, but the scout flies did the rest. If you want to play a hunting game about hunting big monsters/dinosaurs, play prehistoric hunt. You can follow the footsteps, sounds and droppings to your hearts content.