Fallout 4: Brotherhood of Steel, Enclave, or Outcasts?

[Sumkid101]

Which would you rather see and team up with in Fallout 4???

[Dosbilliam, Boring but Practical]

Assuming the Three Dog tweet is true, it'll end up being the regular BoS, regardless of our opinion. Also, the Enclave is a bit busy being DEAD.

[Mauno]

Enclave has already been killed twice, the real BoS are ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, as are the Outcasts. I personally wouldn't want to team up with any of them, but I would like to see a proper BoS chapter, not like the silly DC one.

[richardharvey200]

BoS , like Dosbilliam & Mauno said , the last 2 were obliterated in the Original .

[Daynov]

Hopefully none of them would be present. Beth should stop reusing old content and start doing something original.

[Dosbilliam, Boring but Practical]

To recap all the factions, the California/Arizona BoS is either dead or barely alive, depending on which NV ending is canon; the DC BoS is still alive and probably the only "real" chapter left; the Enclave was pretty much wiped off the face of the wasteland-planet in 3, and the Outcasts are probably barely alive as well.

[Mauno]

İlk olarak Dosbilliam (Big ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ Egun) tarafından gönderildi:

To recap all the factions, the California/Arizona BoS is either dead or barely alive, depending on which NV ending is canon; the DC BoS is still alive and probably the only "real" chapter left; the Enclave was pretty much wiped off the face of the wasteland-planet in 3, and the Outcasts are probably barely alive as well.

DC BoS has nothing to do with the real BoS, and the Enclave was wiped out in Fallout 2. Other than that, what you said is pretty much correct.

Bethesda will, without a doubt, bring back some already dead faction in Fallout 4, with no (good) explanation.

[Gone4summer]

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[Dosbilliam, Boring but Practical]

İlk olarak Mauno tarafından gönderildi:

İlk olarak Dosbilliam (Big ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ Egun) tarafından gönderildi:

To recap all the factions, the California/Arizona BoS is either dead or barely alive, depending on which NV ending is canon; the DC BoS is still alive and probably the only "real" chapter left; the Enclave was pretty much wiped off the face of the wasteland-planet in 3, and the Outcasts are probably barely alive as well.

DC BoS has nothing to do with the real BoS, and the Enclave was wiped out in Fallout 2. Other than that, what you said is pretty much correct.

Bethesda will, without a doubt, bring back some already dead faction in Fallout 4, with no (good) explanation.

The canon lore states that they split off from the main BoS because the Elder of the DC chapter cared more about the fate of the people surrounding DC than the original BoS mission. The Enclave was the main antagonist of Fallout 3, which originally ended with the possible destruction of John Henry Eden, the death of his right-hand man, and with the addition of Broken Steel, the potential destruction of the armored crawler that ended up being the last Enclave bastion in the Capital Wasteland. I say possible and potential because those are choices made that appear to be canon but aren't explicitly said as such.

[乇乂ㄒ尺卂 ㄒ卄丨匚匚]

It will probably be something like NV . But I would like to join someone like Mr.House or Yes Man faction . Building an army and working secretly against another faction (something like when you had to go to the Fort and activate the robot army and save president Kimball from getting assasinated )

[Mauno]

İlk olarak Dosbilliam (Big ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ Egun) tarafından gönderildi:

The canon lore states that they split off from the main BoS because the Elder of the DC chapter cared more about the fate of the people surrounding DC than the original BoS mission. The Enclave was the main antagonist of Fallout 3, which originally ended with the possible destruction of John Henry Eden, the death of his right-hand man, and with the addition of Broken Steel, the potential destruction of the armored crawler that ended up being the last Enclave bastion in the Capital Wasteland. I say possible and potential because those are choices made that appear to be canon but aren't explicitly said as such.

I have played Fallout 3, I just can't take its lore butchery seriously. DC BoS is a BoS chapter of traitors to the cause, the Undead-Enclave doesn't make any sense at all and the situation in the Capital Wasteland is frankly, silly.

[Dosbilliam, Boring but Practical]

How does it butcher the lore any more than Tactics did? It's in a new location with 98% new characters, using factions from the old games in a way that makes things work in the series and the lore, and the reaction of Elder Lyons after hitting the Capital Wasteland isn't a betrayal to me, it's a perfectly human reaction in that environment. Chances are that our differing opinions are based on my lack of loyalty to the first few games that I didn't really bother with because of the flaws they had.

[Mauno]

I don't really mind the BoS being all weird, the main problem I have is the fact that the Enclave was destroyed in Fallout 2, then somehow managed to amass a huge army of power armour troops for FO3.

And you have to remember that because of the Enclave's ideals, they don't recruit "mutants", people who have been living in the Wasteland. That's why its nonsense that they're so dang strong in FO3. Enclave's power basically invalidates Fallout 2's ending completely, and that's what I considering butchering the lore.

The other stuff, like how the CW is still all irradiated and people aren't even trying to achieve self-sustainability is not exactly consistent with the previous games, but that can be accounted to Bethesda's style of world creation.

Considering that its over 200 years since the Great War, even the stupidest wastelanders would have some sort of agriculture and means to survive. But nope, in FO3, people live off the scarce brahmin and Old World food. Silly.

On the Tactics bit, I have to admit, I've never actually played it for more than 10 minutes, so I'm not very familiar with it. Also, sorry about this hideous wall of text. Feel free to say its gibberish, I'll revise it in the morning, after a good 10 hours of sleep.

[Gone4summer]

In the end, butchered lore or not, does it really matter? 90% of us are going to snap up the game because we're die-hard Fallout fans...period.

[Mauno]

And then the real Fallout fans will be disappointed because of "streamlining", weak story and such, yeah.

Oh well, at least we have Wasteland 2 coming!

[Dosbilliam, Boring but Practical]

İlk olarak Mauno tarafından gönderildi:

I don't really mind the BoS being all weird, the main problem I have is the fact that the Enclave was destroyed in Fallout 2, then somehow managed to amass a huge army of power armour troops for FO3.

And you have to remember that because of the Enclave's ideals, they don't recruit "mutants", people who have been living in the Wasteland. That's why its nonsense that they're so dang strong in FO3. Enclave's power basically invalidates Fallout 2's ending completely, and that's what I considering butchering the lore.

The other stuff, like how the CW is still all irradiated and people aren't even trying to achieve self-sustainability is not exactly consistent with the previous games, but that can be accounted to Bethesda's style of world creation.

Considering that its over 200 years since the Great War, even the stupidest wastelanders would have some sort of agriculture and means to survive. But nope, in FO3, people live off the scarce brahmin and Old World food. Silly.

On the Tactics bit, I have to admit, I've never actually played it for more than 10 minutes, so I'm not very familiar with it. Also, sorry about this hideous wall of text. Feel free to say its gibberish, I'll revise it in the morning, after a good 10 hours of sleep.

Remember, the Capital Wasteland didn't get people like the Vault Dweller or the Chosen One. Without people like them to go find GECKs and jumpstart the area, Megaton/Rivet City are about all you can hope for. Also, the wiki says (taking it with salt because wiki) that one of the remaining officers after the oil rig executed Operation GTMFO before what was left was teabagged to death by the BoS/NCR, which is a logical turn of events. It doesn't render the ending irrelevant, since it says "yeah, they got skull-borked, but some people managed to survive and escape elsewhere" instead. Tactics was set in Illinois, I believe...wiki confirms...and actually is more different in regards to the original than the DC BoS, considering they recruit anyone able to hold a gun and be trained by them, mutants/ghouls included. Also, kind of hard to grow crops when pure water is rare enough that the only things with a better weight/value ratio are weightless items and cigarettes.