was Bitter Springs Massacre justified ?

[RingFinger]

as i said above . was it ? i know the ncr attacked the the people but didnt the khans do the same alot more ( did they desrve it ? )

[R5CYA]

引用自 bestrtsplay：

引用自 Two Bears：

I'll save the OP from in inevitable mind-eff by not telling him that the Khans, Vipers, Jackals and the Shady Sands residents all came from the same Vault.

O_O should check the wiki for this

there's no reason to, now.

[talgaby]

The NCR is a modern day US analogy, but in a somewhat twisted form. Heck, in Fallout 2 it is even said out that they are trying to recreate the old system but trying to avoid it's mistakes. (Yet they do it, as we can see in this game.) In Fallout 2 the dark side was that NCR was a straight-out police state with brutally strict laws and literally a fully armed policeman on every corner. (Or sometimes even more in a small area.) In New Vegas they are the typical lobby- and money-ruled democracy, which, yes, can be an analogy to most Western countries.

[RingFinger]

you can see that NCR LOOK LIKE USA

[Delta 1038]

引用自 talgaby：

The NCR is a modern day US analogy, but in a somewhat twisted form. Heck, in Fallout 2 it is even said out that they are trying to recreate the old system but trying to avoid it's mistakes. (Yet they do it, as we can see in this game.) In Fallout 2 the dark side was that NCR was a straight-out police state with brutally strict laws and literally a fully armed policeman on every corner. (Or sometimes even more in a small area.) In New Vegas they are the typical lobby- and money-ruled democracy, which, yes, can be an analogy to most Western countries.

To be fair for the NCR and honestly, everyone who is still alive now; even the raiders. Pre-War United States are much much worse with their brutal annexiation of Canada and their in-progress of Mexico before the bombs fell. Pre-War US hides the fact that its a brutal oligarchy with the nostalgia of the 1950s. So yeah, a post-nuclear war wasteland is actually considered to be better than Pre-War US.

[RingFinger]

引用自 Delta 1038：

引用自 talgaby：

The NCR is a modern day US analogy, but in a somewhat twisted form. Heck, in Fallout 2 it is even said out that they are trying to recreate the old system but trying to avoid it's mistakes. (Yet they do it, as we can see in this game.) In Fallout 2 the dark side was that NCR was a straight-out police state with brutally strict laws and literally a fully armed policeman on every corner. (Or sometimes even more in a small area.) In New Vegas they are the typical lobby- and money-ruled democracy, which, yes, can be an analogy to most Western countries.

To be fair for the NCR and honestly, everyone who is still alive now; even the raiders. Pre-War United States are much much worse with their brutal annexiation of Canada and their in-progress of Mexico before the bombs fell. Pre-War US hides the fact that its a brutal oligarchy with the nostalgia of the 1950s. So yeah, a post-nuclear war wasteland is actually considered to be better than Pre-War US.

you are kidding me right

[talgaby]

He is not. The USA of Fallout universe is much worse than the real-world one. Heck, it's worse than the Third Reich. It's a very dark, black satire on how the world tends to see America: always confident that they are right, yet always bullying everyone else and hide their insecurities and problems behind some facade while robbing the world to keep up the pretended life style of the brain washed citizens.
Fallout 2 had real interesting insight on how cynical that country was before the bombs fell. In Fallout 3 it was reduced to some semi-interesting historical bits and pieces from the museum (like the alternate race to the Moon) and in NV it turned into some star-eyed nostalgia about a world people thought existed.

[Traffic Conez]

The annexation of Canada and mass stockpile of WMDs reveal their dark side of Pre-War US. Hell even the Vault system when thought about it is dark. The vaults were commisioned by the government as experiments, not as shelters for the civillian populace but as experiments so the government can fullfill their warped fetishes. Who the hell builds a completely kitted-out vault with a broken door to study the effects of radiation...

[Delta 1038]

To answer your question; yes it is justified.

As much as the Great Khans like to moan about the NCR's brutality in attacking one of their settlements, don't forget that the Khans from the first to the current have always raided and massacared NCR towns again and again. In fact that is pretty much the main reason why the NCR was on Search & Destroy mode; the Khans recently attacked one of the NCR's towns.

On the first hand reports; Bitter-Root pretty much said that the Khans had it coming because of how much of stupid ♥♥♥♥♥ they are to continue to harass the NCR along with their other brutalities along with being horrible people in general. The way he talks about his parents pretty much imply (To me anyway) that they're considered normal for a Khan.

On the Pro-Khans? If I remember, you only hear it from the Khans themselves and really from experience they're not the most reliable bunch.

Even if 1st Recon didn't kill them don't forget it's that every Khan is bred and grown to be a killer; every single one of them.

To reiterate, did I think it was justified? Yes I do. Does it make it less horrible? No it doesn't.

[Rodso]

its a video game....i walk into a radnom town and nuke everyone for lols......i think it was justivied but that its war ♥♥♥♥ happens....

[RingFinger]

引用自 rodso：

its a video game....i walk into a radnom town and nuke everyone for lols......i think it was justivied but that its war ♥♥♥♥ happens....

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[Mauman]

I'm with Delta (mostly) on this one. It was horrible and it was deserved. Doesn't mean it was justified though. As for reparations...are you kidding me?! If that's the way they want to play than THEY should pay reparations for the innocent civilians (and more than one khan out-right states that this was intentional) that they killed.

IMO, nobody was right here, but the Khans were less right.