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TheUnknown 2019 年 3 月 26 日 下午 4:12
Bitter Springs Massacre Question
Was it a miss communication or was it something more?
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Vex Hilarius 2019 年 3 月 26 日 下午 5:20 
There was a theory that the Legion planned it but honestly it was just NCR negligence and bad info. It was just a chaotic mess all around and the developers intended it to mirror real life events.
talgaby 2019 年 3 月 26 日 下午 11:50 
It is a very thinly-veiled allegory of the Wounded Knee Massacre to further drive home the NCR = 19th century expansion US parallel. So, the real events and causes are similarly muddied deliberately.
最后由 talgaby 编辑于; 2019 年 3 月 26 日 下午 11:51
Hat8 2019 年 3 月 27 日 上午 11:25 
引用自 Sub_2_Pewdiepie
Was it a miss communication or was it something more?

The NCR did not expect civilians to be in the camp. Of course, what defines a "civilian" when the whole camp is armed and even children are expected to fight?

The NCR responded to an attack on their caravan and thought they were attacking a camp instead of their main settlement.
King Benny 2019 年 3 月 28 日 下午 2:02 
Life is crap sometimes, and the Wasteland brings out the worst of you.
TheUnknown 2019 年 3 月 28 日 下午 2:06 
引用自 benjamindwyer1998
Life is crap sometimes, and the Wasteland brings out the worst of you.
true
im gay chinese and woke 2019 年 3 月 28 日 下午 2:18 
引用自 talgaby
It is a very thinly-veiled allegory of the Wounded Knee Massacre to further drive home the NCR = 19th century expansion US parallel. So, the real events and causes are similarly muddied deliberately.
Damn I thought it was meant to be like the My Lai massacre. I had this whole theory the NCR was just a mirror of post-WW2 America.
TheUnknown 2019 年 3 月 28 日 下午 2:38 
引用自 Nardo
引用自 talgaby
It is a very thinly-veiled allegory of the Wounded Knee Massacre to further drive home the NCR = 19th century expansion US parallel. So, the real events and causes are similarly muddied deliberately.
Damn I thought it was meant to be like the My Lai massacre. I had this whole theory the NCR was just a mirror of post-WW2 America.
That was vietnam m8
Vex Hilarius 2019 年 3 月 28 日 下午 3:05 
引用自 Sub_2_Pewdiepie
引用自 Nardo
Damn I thought it was meant to be like the My Lai massacre. I had this whole theory the NCR was just a mirror of post-WW2 America.
That was vietnam m8

Vietnam is post-WW2.
TheUnknown 2019 年 3 月 28 日 下午 3:14 
♥♥♥♥ I know my bad I read it as WW2 America
Mr. Shaggnificent 2019 年 3 月 28 日 下午 6:29 
https://fallout.gamepedia.com/Bitter_Springs_Massacre

"The operation went sideways from the moment NCR troops deployed into Bitter Springs. The attack force was spotted too soon and made contact with Great Khan defenders prematurely. 1st Recon troops heard an intense firefight take place, before they spotted Khans coming down Canyon 37 in groups, composed of women, children, and the elderly, followed by wounded Khans. The sharpshooters hesitated and reported the situation up the command chain. They were order to shoot until they were out of ammunition. The sharpshooters obeyed the order.[8] The retreating civilians were gunned down.[3] "

The way the NCR troops were deployed, and the orders to "shoot until they were out of ammunition", says it was an extermination. NCR command knew exactly what they were doing. The civilized republic was simply removing the savage tribals.
最后由 Mr. Shaggnificent 编辑于; 2019 年 3 月 29 日 下午 6:20
Hat8 2019 年 3 月 28 日 下午 6:40 
引用自 Nardo
引用自 talgaby
It is a very thinly-veiled allegory of the Wounded Knee Massacre to further drive home the NCR = 19th century expansion US parallel. So, the real events and causes are similarly muddied deliberately.
Damn I thought it was meant to be like the My Lai massacre. I had this whole theory the NCR was just a mirror of post-WW2 America.

The NCR is 19th century America. Of course, you can draw comparisons to the 20th century because they still practice Imperialism.

Geostrategist Max Boot described Afghanistan as the modern cowboy frontier for the US.
Jurassic Fart 2 2019 年 3 月 28 日 下午 6:56 
引用自 Redding
引用自 Sub_2_Pewdiepie
That was vietnam m8

Vietnam is post-WW2.
We need to keep in mind that this is an alternate history (timeline), a parallel universe. Things happened in this history that did not transpire in ours. Sure, in our history the Vietnam conflict happened after World War 2, but that's not the point. "They" are not entirely clear on exactly what provoked the nuclear war between China and the US, but in this timeline Vietnam could very well have been crucial. China has had a vested interest in Vietnam, Cambodia, and Laos (in our world), and a similar dynamic could have been in play in this one…with a different outcome.

In our time, there was a very real threat that there might be open [nuclear] war between the United States and China during the Vietnam conflict. Those fears were not realized, just as they weren't during the Korean conflict and the USS Pueblo incident (which I actually am intimate with, as my father was a Russian translator in US Army intelligence at the time).

In this world of apocalypse realized, things probably went very differently between the US and China during the Korean and Vietnamese conflicts. The Cuban Missile Crisis still happened (I think), but events took a different turn as relations between the US and China were more in the fore.

In real life, in the event of a full-scale nuclear war, most of Kansas and Nebraska would be habitable…for a short time. Most everyone else in the US would be dead already, not live long enough to mutate (don't even get me started on the animal and bacteria and virus populations). It would actually be more like events outlined in Nevil Shute's "On the Beach," a book eventually made into a cinema feature wherein literally everyone dies.

Keep in mind, though: It's a game.
最后由 Jurassic Fart 2 编辑于; 2019 年 3 月 28 日 下午 6:59
Vex Hilarius 2019 年 3 月 28 日 下午 7:51 
引用自 Jurassic Fart 2
引用自 Redding

Vietnam is post-WW2.
We need to keep in mind that this is an alternate history (timeline), a parallel universe. Things happened in this history that did not transpire in ours. Sure, in our history the Vietnam conflict happened after World War 2, but that's not the point. "They" are not entirely clear on exactly what provoked the nuclear war between China and the US, but in this timeline Vietnam could very well have been crucial. China has had a vested interest in Vietnam, Cambodia, and Laos (in our world), and a similar dynamic could have been in play in this one…with a different outcome.

In our time, there was a very real threat that there might be open [nuclear] war between the United States and China during the Vietnam conflict. Those fears were not realized, just as they weren't during the Korean conflict and the USS Pueblo incident (which I actually am intimate with, as my father was a Russian translator in US Army intelligence at the time).

In this world of apocalypse realized, things probably went very differently between the US and China during the Korean and Vietnamese conflicts. The Cuban Missile Crisis still happened (I think), but events took a different turn as relations between the US and China were more in the fore.

In real life, in the event of a full-scale nuclear war, most of Kansas and Nebraska would be habitable…for a short time. Most everyone else in the US would be dead already, not live long enough to mutate (don't even get me started on the animal and bacteria and virus populations). It would actually be more like events outlined in Nevil Shute's "On the Beach," a book eventually made into a cinema feature wherein literally everyone dies.

Keep in mind, though: It's a game.

I think you misunderstood the topic. We weren't debating what real world events happened in the Fallout universe we were talking about the parallels between the NCR and the US during the 19th century. Just because the timelines may be different doesn't mean events in the fictional one can't make references to real world ones.
Jurassic Fart 2 2019 年 3 月 29 日 下午 5:30 
My bad. Easily misunderstood. Apologies if I seemed pedantic.
Vex Hilarius 2019 年 3 月 29 日 下午 6:09 
引用自 Jurassic Fart 2
My bad. Easily misunderstood. Apologies if I seemed pedantic.

Hey it happens, I do it too from time to time.
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