Ulysses is a moron's design.

[GIGACHAD]

The dude let his tribe be brutalized into servitude, women turned to slaves, and decides to serve and respect Caesar but also worked as Courier (which is equal to a Polish man working Nazi spy working as a British mail man in his off duty time... During the Blitz)

Then he tries to settle down in hopeville. The divide happens, sadly... Oh, he also gets mad at tribals adopting his dreadlocks because muh cultural appropriation.

Then he goes to big MT for answers and... Ok... Hold on...

Decides to go back, mope in the divide and prepare nukes to exterminate whatever remained of civilization ... So a new nation could start. By targeting what extremely little life America has left... With nukes... While still respecting Caesar, who is probably the single most evil creature in Fallout universe. Even Enclave's extermination was more merciful.

And what he babbles underway as we travel makes zero sense at all.

Whoever designed him tried to make a deep character, but all we have is some edgy little manbaby who speaks in senseless riddles and dies like a little ♥♥♥♥♥.

"MUH BEAR MUH BULL DUH BEAR THE BULL"

[Johnny Casey]

The problem with Ulysses' story telling continues exactly the same to the stort telling of Pillars of Eternity. Don't know why Obsidian just love to do crap like that, but oh well. Human beings can be inferior as they can possibly be.

Also have I mentioned about his face is actually a head gear that is attatched to his very generic looking African American face?

It's no wonder why Lonesome Road got a Metacritic score less than 60. They didn't even try to make it look good.

[psychotron666]

Chris Avellone smoked way too much weed when he wrote Ulysses, he probably thought it was a good idea at the time.

[GIGACHAD]

Originally posted by psychotron666:

Chris Avellone smoked way too much weed when he wrote Ulysses, he probably thought it was a good idea at the time.

Ditto. Far too cringe about the character design.

[GIGACHAD]

Originally posted by Johnny Casey:

The problem with Ulysses' story telling continues exactly the same to the stort telling of Pillars of Eternity. Don't know why Obsidian just love to do crap like that, but oh well. Human beings can be inferior as they can possibly be.

Also have I mentioned about his face is actually a head gear that is attatched to his very generic looking African American face?

It's no wonder why Lonesome Road got a Metacritic score less than 60. They didn't even try to make it look good.

Well for me the DLC is a straightforward shoot and plunder galore with canon future rape with tunnelers...

Even Dead Money had nuance and emotion. (still buggy tho)

This one was a pure railroadfest of combat. Not that i mind the enormous loot...

[Grendalcat]

Ulysses annoys me to no end. "BULL BEAR BULL BEAR BULL!"
I think he destroyed the Divide accidentally, and projects his guilt onto the Courier.

[Scythia]

Originally posted by Grendalcat:

Ulysses annoys me to no end. "BULL BEAR BULL BEAR BULL!"
I think he destroyed the Divide accidentally, and projects his guilt onto the Courier.

This is my theory as well. He triggered the destruction, but had a mental break from it and your character was unlucky enough to be the one he projects his memories onto.

[BadgerMilk]

Yeah he is clearly insane and most likely brainwashed by books.

[Berendor]

Well, whatever the intent was behind the character, he's an idiot.

[talgaby]

He tries to wipe away the Legion and NCR because he sees that they are in the same stupid conflict that caused the Great War in the first place. He is trying to cling to an old ideal while also moving forward, in a twisted sense.

Also, Caesar is hardly evil. Or not more evil than the original Julius was, since Rome operated on mostly the same principles, only there the social divide was even more brutal. Not to mention that an iron-fisted warlord is what an anarchic wasteland like that needs.
The NCR was the same when it started; that place in Fallout 2 is one of the most oppressive police states that just steamrolls over any other settlement that does not want to join it outright, ruled by a steel-nerved dictator who will simply not take anything that stands in her plans. After her death, it just regressed back to the same US style corrupt senatoral political state that in the Fallout universe caused the downfall of the country.

So, yes, Ulysses is actually right. He tries to eliminate two countries where the rulers do nothing but use and exploit everyone around them either through taxes and corruption, or by sheer oppression. Technically, both places can evolve into something actually working, like Rome did back then (since the entire parallel is essentially Republic vs. Empire, just not Star Wars style, because in Rome, the empire was the better one), but he hopes to stop them doing old mistakes and hopes that like with Hopeville or his old tribe, something more working can come out of it.

Also, his plan still makes a LOT more sense than Fallout 76's nuclear launches, which the players storywise pretty much do for the lols and nothing more. And that one is supposed to be launched by actual survivors of the nuclear war whose entire life was ruined by the nukes in the first place.

[Hat8]

Originally posted by Blue Ball(CAN):

The dude let his tribe be brutalized into servitude, women turned to slaves, and decides to serve and respect Caesar but also worked as Courier (which is equal to a Polish man working Nazi spy working as a British mailman in his off duty time... During the Blitz)

Then he tries to settle down in hopeville. The divide happens, sadly... Oh he also gets mad at tribals adopting his dreadlocks because muh cultural appropriation.

Then he goes to big MT for answers and... Ok... Hold on...

Decides to mope in the divide and prepare nukes to exterminate whatever remained of civilization ... So a new nation could start. By targeting what extremely little life America has left... With nukes... While still respecting Caesar who is probably the single most evil creature in Fallout universe. Even Enclave's extermination was more merciful.

And what he babbles underway as we travel makes zero sense at all.

Whomever designed him tried to make a deep character but all we have is some edgy ♥♥♥♥♥♥ who speaks in senseless riddles and dies like a ♥♥♥♥♥ to my 50.cal armor piercer headshot from the other side of the map...

Heh.

I think Ulysses is a good character. A common theme of villains through the game has been people getting caught up in philosophy instead of reality. Getting lost in the big picture instead of the present.

Both Ulysses and Caesar subscribe some kind of philosophy of history and it basically defines who they are.

Caesar believes in great man theory and Hegel's idea of history being all about conflicting ideas clashing and forming something new. He intends to transform the NCR through creating a war for it and by conquering it. He succeeds at changing the NCR regardless if he wins or loses but he probably intends to be the great man that wins because of his ego.

Ulysses is obsessed with the idea of a golden age, first its his tribe and then it becomes America. He see's the Legion and NCR as horrible failed replicas of the past that must be destroyed for the greater good. Ulysses is kinda like Tolkien or some kind of radical apocalyptic Christian. He thinks the world is doomed (because of those tunnelers and because of his past and the obvious failings of the two powers) and so thinks it would be better to just destroy everything.

Of course, the NCR and House are all about Whig History, the belief in the inevitable march of human progress. House being more aligned with great man theory for obvious reasons. The NCR is more about People's History since they're more defined by your experiences with hundreds of people while the Legion and House are all about one person.

Originally posted by talgaby:

He tries to wipe away the Legion and NCR because he sees that they are in the same stupid conflict that caused the Great War in the first place. He is trying to cling to an old ideal while also moving forward, in a twisted sense.

Also, Caesar is hardly evil. Or not more evil than the original Julius was, since Rome operated on mostly the same principles, only there the social divide was even more brutal. Not to mention that an iron-fisted warlord is what an anarchic wasteland like that needs.
The NCR was the same when it started; that place in Fallout 2 is one of the most oppressive police states that just steamrolls over any other settlement that does not want to join it outright, ruled by a steel-nerved dictator who will simply not take anything that stands in her plans. After her death, it just regressed back to the same US style corrupt senatoral political state that in the Fallout universe caused the downfall of the country.

So, yes, Ulysses is actually right. He tries to eliminate two countries where the rulers do nothing but use and exploit everyone around them either through taxes and corruption, or by sheer oppression. Technically, both places can evolve into something actually working, like Rome did back then (since the entire parallel is essentially Republic vs. Empire, just not Star Wars style, because in Rome, the empire was the better one), but he hopes to stop them doing old mistakes and hopes that like with Hopeville or his old tribe, something more working can come out of it.

Also, his plan still makes a LOT more sense than Fallout 76's nuclear launches, which the players storywise pretty much do for the lols and nothing more. And that one is supposed to be launched by actual survivors of the nuclear war whose entire life was ruined by the nukes in the first place.

Well he is evil... Sure he has a philosophy but so did Hitler. That doesn't somehow make you good.

Originally posted by Johnny Casey:

The problem with Ulysses' story telling continues exactly the same to the stort telling of Pillars of Eternity. Don't know why Obsidian just love to do crap like that, but oh well. Human beings can be inferior as they can possibly be.

Also have I mentioned about his face is actually a head gear that is attatched to his very generic looking African American face?

It's no wonder why Lonesome Road got a Metacritic score less than 60. They didn't even try to make it look good.

Don't take games journalists seriously.

[Vault]

dang. liked him myself. Legion gang.

[Hat8]

Originally posted by VaultScavenger:

dang. liked him myself. Legion gang.

I thought he made it pretty clear that he isn't a fan of the legion.

[Da Atte]

I thought I was alone with the opinion of Lonesome Road being a boring and edgy DLC.

[Berendor]

Originally posted by Da Atte:

I thought I was alone with the opinion of Lonesome Road being a boring and edgy DLC.

Nope, not alone ;)

[talgaby]

That s the more common opinion. One of the reasons is that Ulysses in the default scripts tends to go with the "you are with the Bear" speeches, and they are probably the most pretentious. His "no masters" dialogues are a lot better. The House ones are almost interesting, since he did not really seemed to have expected you to go with the third player.