Truth about New Vegas

[Pindude]

I love New Vegas, but sometimes I hate the fact that it was made. It's essentially a mod for Fallout 3, but it gets credit as a standalone game as if Obsidian didn't lift half the assets and the entire engine from 3 to make it. Adding content to an existing game is easy, modders do it all the time. Building a game from scratch is infinitely harder. And Obsidian gets credit as an "independent," "underfunded," "rushed" and "small" studio that built a game...that was already built. Obsidian could never do New Vegas from the ground up, but all the Fallout "fans" forget this and dog on Bethesda. If Beth had lifted that many assets to make a "new" game, they'd hate them for it.

[Straybow]

Best to avoid fan wars, I'm glad Vegas was made I enjoy it more. Some people go a little overboard with hate but it is the internet, the problem is much much larger then Fallout.

[Pindude]

Originally posted by Lysimarkos of Ermor:

Best to avoid fan wars, I'm glad Vegas was made I enjoy it more. Some people go a little overboard with hate but it is the internet, the problem is much much larger then Fallout.

Good to see people like you still exists. everywhere i look, Bethesda hate Bethesda hate. jeez

[Brainsiick]

NV has some things better than F3 just like 3 has some things better than NV.

[Boneyard Bob]

Originally posted by Painis Cupcake:

Obsidian could never do New Vegas from the ground up...

Sure they could, and likely build a better engine to boot. But they don't own the IP, Bethesda does, so they had to work with what they were given.

[Brainsiick]

Bethesda is a great company used to be my favourite to be honest, they just ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up.
They had a timeless masterpiece perfected and they stripped it down, destroyed the lore, and basically threw the franchise into the garbage...
At least we are blessed have 3 and NV still

[Ladez]

Yeah, let's ignore that they also wrote a branching story, created a worldspace in similar size to Fallout 3 and made significant additions to gameplay. Let's ignore that Fallout 3 uses the same engine as Oblivion, and the same core gameplay. Let's ignore that creating a open world 3D game engine from scratch is such a huge task that few studios dare attempt it. And let's ignore that they did it in half the time Bethesda did Fallout 3.

Originally posted by Painis Cupcake:

Good to see people like you still exists. everywhere i look, Bethesda hate Bethesda hate. jeez

That's a one-sided view of things. Bethesda fans give as much hate as they get.

[Boneyard Bob]

Originally posted by Free Experience²‰:

Bethesda is a great company used to be my favourite to be honest, they just ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up.
They had a timeless masterpiece perfected and they stripped it down, destroyed the lore, and basically threw the franchise into the garbage...
At least we are blessed have 3 and NV still:summerufo:

Indeed. I really did like their reboots of DOOM and Wolfenstein though, and FPS's aren't usually my cup of tea.

[Vex Hilarius]

"New Vegas is just a Fallout 3 mod"

I never understood how this is a bad thing, let alone a reason why people should think lesser of NV because of it. So what? Plenty of games build off of predecessors or similar games. No one needs to like F3 in order to like NV. I see that all the time. "Without F3 there would be no NV". Okay, so what? Does that mean I have to enjoy Bethesda's crap writing and uninteresting worlds in order to like NV? No, it doesn't.

[fоreskin feta]

the tunnel snake jacket is still left in the code so I can be a tunnel snake without owning fallout 3
also theoretically couldn’t one remake the entirety of fallout 3 (or at least all the side quests) in NV with the GECK barring certain weapon textures
and by this logic isn’t l4d a mod of hl

[Yhwach]

Originally posted by Wurt:

Fallout 2 is a mod of the original Fallout.
Tactics is a mod of both.
3 and NV are a mod of Oblivion. Love how bullets travel at the speed of an arrow.
FO4 is a mod of Skyrim.
Looks like Fallout 1 and BOS are the only real original properties.

Development of 3 didn't start until 2004.

Originally posted by DiscountLouisCK:

"New Vegas is just a Fallout 3 mod"

I never understood how this is a bad thing, let alone a reason why people should think lesser of NV because of it. So what? Plenty of games build off of predecessors or similar games. No one needs to like F3 in order to like NV. I see that all the time. "Without F3 there would be no NV". Okay, so what? Does that mean I have to enjoy Bethesda's crap writing and uninteresting worlds in order to like NV? No, it doesn't.

It's a bad thing because Obsidian was given a pre-made game to work with and still launched it as a horrendous broken mess with lots of gapping content.

Originally posted by Ladez:

Yeah, let's ignore that they also wrote a branching story, created a worldspace in similar size to Fallout 3 and made significant additions to gameplay. Let's ignore that Fallout 3 uses the same engine as Oblivion, and the same core gameplay. Let's ignore that creating a open world 3D game engine from scratch is such a huge task that few studios dare attempt it. And let's ignore that they did it in half the time Bethesda did Fallout 3.

Originally posted by Painis Cupcake:

Good to see people like you still exists. everywhere i look, Bethesda hate Bethesda hate. jeez

That's a one-sided view of things. Bethesda fans give as much hate as they get.

Branching story that's hardly ever used and that goes for the "branching decisions" too.
As for significant changes to gameplay...not really? The most they ever did from Fallout 3 was add a General Reputation system they needed more time since it's abuse fodder and a low-tier crafting system that's a step up from the original but still a mess.
They were given a game to work with, the result is admirable but not good enough.

[mrwibble]

It's sad that people feel compelled to fling crap at each other over which game is better. I own both Fallout 3 and New Vegas, and I still play them both. Obsidian and Bethesda are both great studios who do many things really well. They just don't do the same things really well. I love Bethesda's ability to create huge open worlds full of stuff to see and do. Likewise I love Obsidian's writing, role-play mechanics and the depth of their choice and consequence. People are wholly capable of liking more than one thing at one time, and it doesn't automatically follow that if you like one game, you must despise the other. Get some perspective, people.

[Kleiner's final Form]

By your logic skyrim, oblivion, ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ bully from Rockstar and fallout 4 are also just FO3 mods.

[talgaby]

*scraches head* By your definition then, Fallout 3 is an Elder Scrolls IV conversion mod. Same engine, lots of reused assets. Only it took half a decade to make and New Vegas had to be made in a year.

[Simple Man]

Originally posted by Yhwach:

It's a bad thing because Obsidian was given a pre-made game to work with and still launched it as a horrendous broken mess with lots of gapping content.

They had an engine to work with, rather than a game. And id be interested to see what bethesda can produce in the 13 months Obsidian had, because their 3D fallouts took the best part of 5 years each, with the latest iteration, which is also "just a mod" of skyrim, being nothing but a building simulator with companions and overall characters that coulda been made outta cardboard and you still wouldn't notice a difference. Complement that with a full on, on rails "story", and FarCry 5 is as much of an RPG.

Originally posted by Yhwach:

Branching story that's hardly ever used and that goes for the "branching decisions" too.

What would this mean? would you want decisions you made in goodsprings, for example, to have some grand impact on the finale? the game has plenty impactful dialogue to be had and decisions to be made, localized or otherwise, and in terms of 3D fallouts, it remains unmatched.

Originally posted by Yhwach:

They were given a game to work with, the result is admirable but not good enough.

This type of rating coming from someone that sits on FO4 boards and can't get enough of buttering it up, calls FNV, what was it, "something written by middle schoolers", and Obsidian a "glorified modding team".

You should have stayed where you were, go build a base, im sure another settlement needs your help too.

[Brainsiick]

Originally posted by Boneyard Bob:

Originally posted by Free Experience²‰:

Bethesda is a great company used to be my favourite to be honest, they just ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up.
They had a timeless masterpiece perfected and they stripped it down, destroyed the lore, and basically threw the franchise into the garbage...
At least we are blessed have 3 and NV still

Indeed. I really did like their reboots of DOOM and Wolfenstein though, and FPS's aren't usually my cup of tea.

For real dude I feel this 100% I LOVE the first Dishonored, not a FPS but still a great game overall.
They have made great games, fallout 4 is just an unfortunate pile of trash