wtf is with honest hearts?

[coc lover]

Start honest hearts
Everyone from happy trails expedition dies
Has to kill attackers
Map marker is all the way at the end of the map
Goes to Sorrow tribe
Everyone starts attacking Courier
Kills everyone there
Takes map from Sorrow Tribe camp
Leaves
DLC Ends

Total time: less than an hour

Anyone else have this experience?

[MannsOverMeta]

Sorrows shouldn't have been attacking you unless you've done something to them so you probably did something wrong. Or the game did something maybe.

[psychotron666]

What happened was you killed follows chalk, an ally just across the bridge after the happy trails gets killed.

Follows chalk is supposed to kill a white leg who's shooting at you, but because he's right behind the white leg, you can mistake him for an enemy easily.

Most people realize they screw up when a giant "quest failed" appears and a new quest called "chaos in zion" pops up, that's when you'd usually reload your game.

Of course you can skip the whole dlc by just killing everyone like you did.

[Ladez]

Originally posted by psychotron666:

a giant "quest failed" appears and a new quest called "chaos in zion" pops up, that's when you'd usually reload your game.

^^

[Zuma Torney]

Originally posted by psychotron666:

What happened was you killed follows chalk, an ally just across the bridge after the happy trails gets killed.

Follows chalk is supposed to kill a white leg who's shooting at you, but because he's right behind the white leg, you can mistake him for an enemy easily.

Most people realize they screw up when a giant "quest failed" appears and a new quest called "chaos in zion" pops up, that's when you'd usually reload your game.

Of course you can skip the whole dlc by just killing everyone like you did.

I think everyone killed him XD

[psychotron666]

I definitely killed follows chalk the first time. He was standing right behind the guy who was shooting me, and since I thought they were both enemies i shot them with a grenade launcher.

Of course when I goy the quest failed thing i was like wtf and reloaded cus I knew I screwed up something somehow.

At first I thought it was because the happy trails guys died. So I tried to save them by killing all the enemies, which I did, but then the happy trails people heads just started blowing off for no reason, that's when i realized you couldn't save them no matter how good you were cus it was scripted.

[Ladez]

I killed Follows-Chalk my first time as well. I don't really blame anyone for confusing him with the hostile tribals, but you have to be half-asleep to miss the failed quest notification.

[coc lover]

Originally posted by Ladez:

I killed Follows-Chalk my first time as well. I don't really blame anyone for confusing him with the hostile tribals, but you have to be half-asleep to miss the failed quest notification.

I saw the failed quest notification and was really confused

[Azael Ijima δ]

Even when Honest Hearts is the smallest DLC, there a lot more things than the main quest to do. Look for all the all the Survivalist's cache, good stuff. ;) Last playtrough i spend at least 4 hours in Zion visiting every places.

[psychotron666]

Yeah the side story of the survivalist Randall Clark is way better than the terrible main story of honest hearts. It's the only redeeming quality of the dlc in my opinion (well and the map is cool too)

[ppppp]

I don't see how so many people could fail this. I went over to where Hollows-Chalk was and saw him brutally executing a White Leg with the .45. The enemy of your enemy is your friend, people.

[psychotron666]

Originally posted by GreenieDaGr8:

I don't see how so many people could fail this. I went over to where Hollows-Chalk was and saw him brutally executing a White Leg with the .45. The enemy of your enemy is your friend, people.

Because it's all in the timing. Glad you got to see him.murdering your enemy. Most people, like myself saw two tribals standing there on the hill and a hail of gunfire hitting me coming from them. It's no wonder that so many people accidentally kill an ally.

[talgaby]

Am I really the only one who didn't start this DLC for the first time with guns blazing, just actually role-playing the situation and trying to get the hell away from there after everyone else died? I didn't even know you can mess the starting up this royally until I started reading the forums back then.

[Vassago Rain]

Originally posted by talgaby:

Am I really the only one who didn't start this DLC for the first time with guns blazing, just actually role-playing the situation and trying to get the hell away from there after everyone else died? I didn't even know you can mess the starting up this royally until I started reading the forums back then.

No, I've also never killed him, either on accident or purpose, and I go in there with remnant's power armor, fat mines, and BOZAR.

[psychotron666]

Originally posted by talgaby:

Am I really the only one who didn't start this DLC for the first time with guns blazing, just actually role-playing the situation and trying to get the hell away from there after everyone else died? I didn't even know you can mess the starting up this royally until I started reading the forums back then.

And I was role-playing a survivor who kills my enemies . When a hail of gunfire is coming from a hill where two tribals are standing (And the only tribals I've met so far have tried to kill me), it stands to reason I'd shoot at them both.

Like I said above, it depends on the timing. Sometimes the white leg doesn't shoot at you as soon, so when he starts shooting you see two of them standing almost side by side. It's not a far stretch to assume they are together in the heat of the moment.
Especially if you're like me and rarely use vats so you don't even see their names or notice a difference in clothing.

[Bansheebutt]

"Hail of Gunfire" is stretching how threatening that scenario is a bit.

Between the compass clearly indicating Neutral and Foe and Chalk not appearing until you've actually crossed the bridge, I've also never accidentally killed him.