I believe the brightness is probably an issue on your end as the maps brightness is fine for most other people. Maybe try turning it up in the settings.

The performance is an issue we are aware of.

The space between mid and spawn is ordinary, if not shorter than some other maps like highpass. Time yourself going from spawn to the midpoint and compare it to other maps.

I don't understand how the map encourages sentry turtling? Every sentry spot that covers point is exposed to a sightline that is easily spammable. And its koth, so if you turtle in random places like lobby, you have 0 impact.

I'm sorry you don't like the map, but thanks for the feedback.

I don't care about the AI, I don't care about using other assets or any of that other drama. I don't care about taking the side of the emporium or taking a stance against them. All that being said this is one of the few koth maps I will go out of my way to leave the server over if it's next up. You can't see shit, it drops your performance to nothing, there's so much space between spawn and mid and once you get there its just a huge box with a tower in the middle. I guess the idea is that it could be fun to rocket jump through all that space or run circles in the enemy's fort as scout but in practice the map design just encourages sentry turtling so both of those options are out the window. It's nearly impossible to have any fun on this map, I don't know why it was added into the official queue.

This is one of the best looking maps in the game (if not the best!).

:)

good map gameplay wise. just needs some visual polish

Map looks better without the slopporium textures btw

Massive respect to the map maker for making emporium worksloppers seethe because they couldn't get their undeserved cut for this map they had no part in developing

Tf2 Emporium spreading their baseless accusations as always, love the map fellas!

Here to say, good map :3

@spring take off your tinfoil hat

It's not that deep.

@Gravidea
it seems like the "AI artwork" and "copyrighted material" were indeed from an act of the TF2 Emporium. I walked around the map before and after the update and couldn't find any AI textures (or any stolen?!?!? assets).

I have also noticed that those were harassment campaigns against the map creators, motivated by personal bias and hatred from the TF2 Emporium. You can apologize all you want but how know you are truly sorry for your comments?

This is sad, and the TF2 community should get its shit together and make a quality map that doesn't have any political messaging and is generally balanced and fun.

I made a stupid comment about this map when everything was up in the air about "stolen content". I wanted to apologize. I'm very happy that content that wasn't properly credited or given a cut were removed, as well as the AI generated content. After giving this map a chance and checking it out, it's really good! The map stands on its own, even without the stuff that was removed.

Someone I know made a comment I agreed with, which is that we shouldn't push small creators down when they make a mistake, we should bring them up. Whether it was an accident, or was ignorance, the issue was resolved. That deserves praise, in my opinion. Please do consider making more maps, despite this setback. At least now you know what not to do in the future! Stuff happens.

Most likely was done and glossed over so Valve doesn't find out they broke contract.

why did the dev redo all the assets instead of just crediting them lmao only I can have the money only ME

So why were everyone's panties in a twist about this map? All I got was there being some photo in the RED spawn room, the clip from The Thing, and assets... Being used? Honestly, I don't get why people would get mad over their fanmade content for this game being used by other fans of the series. "Oh, but they didn't credit-" Doesn't matter. You made the assets to be used. If they don't want to credit you for it, that's entirely fine.

so the copyright stuff and AI picture is removed, that's good news.

Thanks for resolving the issue so quick.
Much appreciated.

i dont think anyone was expecting or wanting it to be removed outright lol

Good map brother. Looks real nice!

We lost Reviewbrah... but thanks for updating it, the map is nice.

Honestly a round of applause for getting that sorted with such short notice, especially since it's your first map.

The assets have been replaced and the workshop page has been updated without the contributer section.

new update is great! TBH the map kinda looks better without the clashing assets anyway

"Fixed a issue with the Materials/Models"
Wow, i wonder what issue got fixed! Surely not copyrighted, ai generated and stolen assets getting removed and replaced!

So what was that about the stolen assets?

Everyone seems to Hate this map which is kinda sad it's pretty well made the performance issues is just pc issue LOL. Keep on making the good maps tho

This map is comfy, I hope it stays after smissmas :^)

Delete

Ai shit, delete the map and don't make anything again

Fine layout but God the performance once you enter mid is awful

Delete this map

Please update the map to be better optimized, whenever I play in this map my fps tanks to half it's usually at, luckily I play at a 144 fps usually but the people that can only run 60 fps probably can't even play the map. I mentioned it in a match I was playing in and it seems like other people we're mentioning how they think it's unoptimized too.

pootis

Are the assets being replaced?

My hope is that the controversy over this map is so bad valve never makes another seasonal slop update again

The Slopporium strikes again lmao

I hope this gets worked out but shit we don't need another invasion update situation ffs

Well most ig but still this is one hell of a comment section

I don't think anyone here knows anything about this map shtick at all because it's either genuine clueless commenting or the most telegraphed bait you can see as far as ten miles

Regardless, don't give the Emporium loons (except replace the "l" in loons with "tr") any money. That's all these asset packs are to them; a way for them to get more money from Valve by latching onto other people's work that they didn't do anything for.

And if you're absolutely forced to give them money, give them the lowest possible percentage so they get pennies.

@Pinewabble:
TF2 has 203 maps, which is enough for a multiplayer game. Hats and other seasonal items are garbage, and what exactly will the so-called "full community update" contain?

The asset creators wouldn't have known your map was picked until it got added. Honestly, I don't even think Valve would let you change the revenue splits after it got added anyway.

What you're doing now is definitely the best course of action and like I said, I don't think you meant any harm.

This happened before a couple years ago. There was some dumb drama for like a day but then the creators updated the map with Valve and everything was fine afterwards lol. It's an honest mistake on your part so don't take it too hard

However I do wanna point out that we weren't directly contacted by a single one of these asset creators, on the contrary we were the ones who were reaching out to try and settle this. I also wanna repeat myself and say that we are actively trying to remove/replace the custom assets we didn't make. We are aware that we can just cut them in but in a lot of cases it will just be easier to remove the or replace the stuff.

Just to clarify, it was definitely an accident. We knew we had to "credit" the asset creators and assumed "crediting" them on the workshop was enough. While the email we got from valve specified that we needed to cut all the people who contributed to the map in, we thought that implied people who actively worked on the map and not people whose tools we used. It's akin to a youtube essay video where you use clips from the thing your talking about to make a point; you wouldn't cut them in normally. But this isn't an excuse and the asset creators are right to be upset about it.

I don't believe for a second that the creators necessarily tried to "steal" assets. I think they just legitimately misunderstood and/or didn't read the license agreement that came with them. As I've said before though, the creators are (probably?) rectifying the issue with Valve now. They still stole though, whether it be intentional or not.

The legallity of AI art is a grey area. It's trained off copyrighted data. But ignoring that, it sticks out like a sore thumb and doesn't look like anything else in TF2.

I'm not a lawyer, but I believe A bigger problem with the portrait is the fact that it uses reviewbruh's likeness. You might be able to get around it by just saying it's "coincidental" but it's not worth the risk for a dumb Easter egg.


My disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined

When you take something someone else made and get paid for it, that's called stealing. End of story.

I think its a bit outrageous to say the assets where stolen, when the issue is a proper lack of crediting. They need to be given credit, but there is little evidence that the lack of crediting was done with malicious intentions.

There also isn't anything legally wrong with using an ai generated image for a tiny Easter egg. I personally don't endorse it myself and I think it should be kept out of an official TF2 map. But its usage here is a really benign usage of AI in this specific case; especially compared to other games.

Although there is a faction of the TF2 content creation community that just froth at the mouth of anything AI generated no matter the context or usage and will use it's existence in any project as an excuse to start another crusade against someone.

I don't think you understand, the creator's don't have a choice lol. Valve is going to require the assets be removed either way.