Thats why And Thats How i want back 2007-2015 Original Weapons Details!

everything looks nice but tbh i like the Kukri as is. and also I dont like red fire axes irl but for TF2 I like it bc it loos more uniform with teams. very good changes.

never anyone get the glass right in source engine, well done!

I feel like the Syringe Gun is the only thing here that really should be implimented. As MeatwadMeatwad said, most of this is just change for the sake of change.


also get that blu fire axe out of my face that thing makes me feel sick

one step closer to v_models greatness.... great work

Then it's good

There's virtually no performance loss with these changes. All the textures are properly compressed and the same size as the default ones. And the material changes barely matter in terms of performance, if at all.

Remember that all poptato PCs have to run it

most useless change ever. doesn't even look good.

This isn't a fix. It's just change for the sake of change

@ScorchPie make your own then

Nah, Bro. This ain't it.

People are really calling VALVe made textures and materials ""not stylized"" for the game, the clownery.

This will be tf2 in 2013

I like the concept but I think in game screenshots with them would really point out how well they fit

this isnt what community fixes r for tho

I can't decide wether this should get added or not. Some of these changes look better and some look awful.

this is too simplistic for tf2, can you make it more real please

please valve put this in the game
objectivelly a good idea

I want to say that these guns were actually available from 2007 to July 2015, but Valve made a mess with the gun mettle update. and they removed it from the game just to make room for the skins... now we want it back! I support this 100%. Senior players know this detail well since 2007. If you watch Crowbcat 2007 Vs 2017 Team Fortress 2 Video. You will understand it Details. before & after gun mettle update of Death of optimization 2007-2015... Bring back this legendary optimization Right now. ! Voted it !

Mine were inspired by the pre-gun mettle ones yes, and they natively work with war paints and stuff like botkillers

I'd love if the most weapons were redone pre-Gun Mettle update, based on those textures back then. The post-Gun Mettle textures are not very good, and I personally don't like the Flamethrower handle, not only does it look off, but it's not the same color as the Backburner head model.

I don't know if you adjusted these textures based on those older textures, but I think it would be better as the current ones in-game. A lot of weapons lost a lot of details due to the implementation of the Decorated / War Paint system.

Yes, a couple things would be require changing for the War Paints to work, but, I think there might be a good balance where colors don't look so off, and details don't disappear.

It seems this pack is more-in-line with the pre-Gun Mettle stuff, but I'm wondering if the Flamethrower handle matches the Backburner again.

The renders were taken with HLMV++. As I've mentioned before, I'm currently making comparison videos taken in-game. I have one for the cubemaps on weapons like the bottle and syringe gun ready, but the main comparison still needs to be done. On a side note, I'm also working on improving the syringe gun glass a little bit more and changing the formatting of the vtfs to dxt5 since I forgot to do that.

Were those renders took in HLMV? Or was it in-game or SFM? The (currently in-game) Syringe Gun in specific has a problem in some graphic cards where the glass-detail isn't properly rendered, it appears darker.

The new detail actually reminded me of this HLMV problem, as it looked quite similar. This problem doesn't happen on HLMV++, and it's the same problem as the eyes of the mercenaries appearing as grey.

brother you did not just say without irony that this doesnt match tf2’s style did you

It's not realistic though, and as I said, the current default textures and materials fit the artstyle less.

I don't think that this should be added, as the newer versions don't fit TF2's more cartoonish style.

I'll make a video showcase soon to put on the page

Can you show how they look ingame tho?

they look so hot

@Delirium1370 a lot of the stock weapons WERE this detailed when the game shipped out. When they converted the models from v_models/w_models to c_models, they changed all of the weapon materials to be super simplistic in order to speed up the process of porting said weapons to the new model type. If anything, my version fits the Artstyle MORE than the current default weapons do.

@Dekirium1370 I think you may misunderstand the TF2 Artstyle. There is nothing that prohibits the materials used, like metal, to look like real life metal (broad, strong specularity). All the scratches and brushstrokes actually add to the TF2 style, as you can see on plentiful weapons, hats and props.

TF2 characters' hands being huge doesn't change the ability of metal to look less like plastic.

Awesome looking pack, keep it up

@Delirium1370 There not even so much changes. Valve themselves made more changes for sake of optimization as it showed in Crowbcat's video(Not a fan of that guy, but facts are facts).

I appreciate the effort though, maybe in a Source 2 port these would look great.

TF2 isn't a realistic game, making items look more realistic will just mean they'll stick out more. Look at how big the mercs' hands are, they can't make something this detailed.

glad you clarified. i still think that level of texture modification is okay. An improved alpha channel doesn't hurt, and specifically for improving the scope on the sniper, the normalmap change seems justified too.

*the normal map on the scope also makes it slightly curved like an actual glass scope instead of only being a flat texture

Anton there is texture changes too, mainly just slightly editing the alpha textures of the stock weapons, adding a normal map to the sniper rifle so it can have the cubemapped scope instead of the usual model change.

This should be added cause the way they currently look is objectively worse than their original counterparts and for what? To utilize the new exponent textures for em that just make em even more like plastic toys? Nice, VALVe.

nevermind, I just read that these are all vmt changes. These details are just normally unseen. Nevermind then! Put it in

it looks really crisp, but I don't know if we should be changing the original textures beyond just fixing them. I downloaded this off gamebanana and I love it but I don't think it should be officially added.

valve pls

this should have the full priority to be first to be added