Did just beat the game on insane, enjoyed it much more than vanilla. The only downside was a random xotan in a random sector with about 20 10 slot cannons and 158 million dps, which just ate my main ship and one capital before I could destroy it.

i think i am missing something but when i enable the mod and start a new game all the icon in some menus are broken and don't display. i am missing a requirement?

@RDMLTRS

Just M1 and M3 launchers are coaxial, that's below tech level 18.

Hey LM13,

Are all the Missile Launchers supposed to be coaxial?

@Malachi

You can add modded weapons, but can't remove new weapons or combat system.
DLC stuff should still appear if enabled - we just can't modify/fix it.

If you prefer Vanilla, there's only CombatAI , Formations and FlightPhysics working there.
If you want to tweak X, check main mod page for collections, difficulty tweaks, or mod compatibility discussions.

@LM13

Is it possible to use some of the Xavorion mod parts with vanilla? For example, because of the major difference in weaponry that Xavorion has, would it be possible to have all the other parts of the mod in play, and just remove the weapons entirely?

The goal would be to have Xavorion and allow the factions / AI to use vanilla / modded weapons, thus allowing players who have the DLC able to use the Rift weapons and Black Market rewards.

Our group is enjoying many parts of the Xavorion overhaul, but may be looking to dial things back a little so wasn't sure if this was possible.

@Malachi

Ah, yeah, faction packs add extra difficulty and much stronger ships at late game.
It's interesting that railguns work, as they were supposed to be "same" as lasers.

I'll take a closer look at this.

As a side note, that deathray is the actual name of that laser.
It was meant to vaporize capital ships(M8) at close range, but its a capital class coax.

Other than that, laser stats you've posted look fine, actual damage should go around 500k per "charge",
but I'll try to test more around late game with faction packs.

Many thanks for detailed feedback

Most of the players have resorted to rail guns, which seems to be the main go to weapon now over everything else, simply because we feel there are few options to contend for real dps.

@LM13

Thanks for the reply! The lasers from the enemy side then seem to crit often, at least the ones on the M7/M8 versions, and it looks like some sort of thick deathray at times. When I look at these lasers we can build (not in the core yet, so talking at highest, tech 38-42 we have found) the DPS of these lasers come out at around 32-48k, with 1.6 second use, and 24+ seconds recharge.

When we use these lasers, they don't do any real damage against M6,M7,M8 ships for some reason. I think part of that issue may be because the server I am on is using some ship mod packs, some of them toting 3-4m hull strength alone.

It would be nice to find a balance with the lasers, and perhaps even another variant that can be used like a pulse laser but turret abled (not coax). and even a variant more akin to phasers.

@Malachi

Just checked lasers, It's probably worth considering to buff them a bit.
Still, DPS value is not as important as hit damage and crits.

NPCs are using exact same RBE lasers, unless you've met enemies at tech 48+ inside barrier (unique, drop only)
Lasers depend on critical hit damage, and currently scale to nearly one-shotting same class enemy with single turret.
Coaxial weapons are mostly usable by small ships that depend on speed and shield regen, usually up to 50k in durability.
Proton torps only work if you can manage their "skill-shot" with small ship.

You've mentioned 1M hull ships - those are usually late game, M6+ class.
At this point, you should have access to at least HPE plasma weapons and SRM-5 launchers.

As a reference from Normal difficulty, a ship that is nearly invulnerable by itself before reaching barrier:
> 7-slot M4 Corvette with 600k HP and 43k DPS
> 2xRBE-5 & 2xSRM-5

The group I am playing with is using this modpack, and so far it feels like we are being pushed to use Coax weapons. There are not many good options for turret weapons, and laser weapons are completely useless.

lasers are giving very low dps, with 1sec or less of fire time, and then 15-20+ seconds CD.
Proton torps are OP, with 2-4m+ dmg
Enemies are using some sort of mega beam that is 1 shot most ships, even with 1m hull and shields, no idea what this is.
Would love to see more laser turret options, similar to the phaser beams we have seen in other mods, with reasonable use time and CD.

Whatever weapon you added that fires guided yellow orbs, it has CRAZY pushback and sends even my medium-sized utility miner-salvager ship spinning out of control. Definitely needs to be tweaked.

@CooP

Cannons are defined at:

/data/scripts/TurretsDatabase/CombatArtillery.lua

If you want to change damage, look for lines

ShotDamage = WeaponTTK.ToDamage( 8, _CounterClass, 0.75 )

- First number ( 8 in this case ) means - seconds of continuous shooting to destroy normal target.
Lower == higher damage.

Note, cannons have "Barrel Tweaks" section - damage listed there overrides "Damage & DPS" section located earlier in scirpt file.

any way to change some of the cannon damage numbers because they are doing fuck all damage at the moment where is the module located

@Ra

X supports other weapon/upgrade mods. Assuming you're using full overhaul.

You'll find modded items at Trading Stations under "Imported Turrets" shop tab.

If you've got a turret/upgrade mod enabled - and it's not showing up there - then it cant work with X.

Is the Arsenal Extension mods compatible with this at all? i know its unlikely but i thought i'd ask

@AAA萨依拉龙息碳烤坦克虫

SDK mods that don't require "Shadow Lib" should be compatible.
Not full SDK overhaul, submods only

Can add compatibility with SDK's mods?

@香取型練習巡洋艦2番艦

Recent patch lowered fighter speed to 600. Try creating new fighters at Fighter Factory - existing ones cant change.

airplane speed 1200 is too high to land properly.
need to land 2-3 times after the fight

any suggest ?

Thanks its working

@BubblesTheMister

Should be fixed now, thanks

thanks for the fast answer man, appreciate it

@BubblesTheMister

Got it, a bug that came with 2.5.2 update... sigh...
Thanks, I'll fix that asap

i created a new save and still doesnt work and used that collection: [2.5.2+] Avorion eXtended

i used the turretbuilder mod but didnt use turrets created by that

@BubblesTheMister

Sounds like a bug or mod conflict - you don't use any other mods that change turrets or turret factories right? I'll need to check

Turrets of class above M3-Vanguard cannot be mounted on a fighter. Thats the message i get when i try turrets like that

@BubblesTheMister

Turret name has that information, ex.

SMG-1-A is M1
BMG-3-C is M3
LRM-6-GA is M6

-(1-8) codes a ship class
-(G)[A/C] codes (G)uided, (A)utomatic / (C)oaxial, though not relevant for fighters

i got a question about the fighters, how do i knwo which turret is m1-m3?

@General Runtime

Display being split into few lines is a bug.
Gunners required, not sure anymore.
It was picked back when lasers were too overpowered, probably forgot to tweak that.
Thanks

This laser has 4 gunner requirements totalling 60 gunners, is this intended or a bug? I didn't play for several months so maybe you already caught and fixed this!
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3260001843

Tooltips have all information about weapons. Encyclopedia has general tips with screenshots.
I'm not english either, so I've tried to add as much "visual" info as I could.

I seem to have seen the full name of each battery corresponding to the abbreviation somewhere, but I can't find it soon enough. Do you have any tips? English is not my mother tongue, so I have some problems

Ah okay I see, thanks man 👍

@Mister Anubis

That happens on Creative, which adds free 100 slots. You need to cover used slots with upgrades to keep their setup permanent.

I'm not sure where to post this but for the life of me i cannot find a fix for the auto turret groups being reset, every time I enter my galaxy whether it's old or new, modded or unmodded the turrets I set to auto on the ship menu get reset forcing me to rebind them to auto-mode every single time.

The only mods that I have that change those sorts of spawns are from your Avorion eXtended pack. And if the intent is to enforce usage of fleets for larger engagements, you may want to take a look at globally raising the tonnage limit for the Into the Rift DLC somehow and possibly extending the size of the teleporter's reach. Elsewise I don't think it would be possible to bring enough craft for high rift depth missions or ones closer to the core (mind you, I haven't gotten past the barrier and I've been seeing this).

Come to think of it, if there's any way to dramatically raise the rift protection for hybrid modules, that'd make bringing a corvette or frigate swarm a fair bit more doable (acid fog can only really be tanked with high protection, late materials, or with a hefty health pool).

All that said, I'll have to take a look at filling out ranks with smaller ships and see if that's able to mitigate the damage issues.

@irondragoon1942

There is an end-game class of weapons, rarely carried by M8 only in the center.

Those are massive in size and range, but very, very slow.
You don't want bigger ship to counter them, but a fleet of faster ships.

If you see those weapons on anything smaller than M8, those are probably custom spawns(other mods),
that pull random turrets instead of using Class/Role system.

Not sure if this is intended behavior, but I seem to be getting wildly varying AI damage outputs? In one pirate attack, there were multiple M6-M8 class ships, which is fine. The M8s sat around 15k to 100k, whereas a single M6 armed with lightning weapons was rated at ~3.2M (indeed, millions of hitscan DPS). Similarly, Into the Rift missions suffer from this the closer to the core I get. Most units will have largely reasonable values around 10k to 80k, and then I run into a bombardier that I don't even have a chance to scan as it two taps ~12M shield strength and one taps the 3.8M (with I-field) hull by using cannons (not even Proton torps). I've got no idea how to go about solving that kind of fight without a truly massive vessel.

@Jinsaria

There's something wrong. What are the names of those turrets?
Do you have other mods that could interfere with weapons?

With class upgrades, defensives can deal some damage, but nowhere near what you've seen.

I'm having a little trouble with defensive weapons and I'm not sure if it's this mod causing it or if something is interacting weird, though I don't think I have anything else that is effecting them. But defensive turrets are generating with crazy high damage, like. Best dps/slot ratios especially at earlier tiers (I'm using the vanilla progression addon at the moment) they are dropping with crazy high 1.5k+ dps and I'm questioning if that is "correct" because right now it seems like building ships with nothing but defensive guns is the best, if weird option.

@AcidGalaxy

Yes, PTLs are part of this mod. Their usage is explained in Encyclopedia > Combat System > Bombers

In short, two types exist - one is easier to use, and works for carriers, second is a skillshot nuke.

Those with "Flight Vector" guidance, take speed from ship - so you need to fly in a straight line to drop bombs.

The other one just shoots slow projectiles. Still, not a general use weapon, and not easy to handle.

so is a proton torpedoes part of this mod pack bc i cant figure out how to use these things right

I appreciate the reply, thank you for the information.

@Zephyranthian

No mod can change that limit.
Class Upgrades has Torpedo Launcher upgrades, but it's a new game to start over, not a simple mod that can be added to existing save.

Would this mod allow for more than 10 torp tubes? Or is there another mod that would allow that?

@everyone

Since class upgrades were released, some balancing tweaks will appear from time to time to weapons.

If you have any suggestions, feel free to share.

Yeah, so far I'm finding the whole boosting to avoid attacks thing is a little tricky when enemies can kill you in three hits and outrange you is all lol

I definitely appreciate that later game battles dont feel like as much of a slugging fest though - ships can actually seem to damage eachother now. just feels like the earlygame has instead gotten too much power from a relative standpoint, but im just one guy at the end of the day. i dunno how other people's experiences are with it

@Blaze Pine

Rework of shops and upgrades is coming soon, so that should help. I think I've made a mistake of not providing enough tools to play with combat.
Can't promise that mod is perfectly balanced, I've seen that players either found a way to enjoy or break it - or cant find any way to handle it.

Weapons are almost in their intended spot with damage, so it's mostly about movement and loadouts.
And getting stuff that makes a difference is kind of hard right now. So, that's being fixed.

In general, small ships should evade damage, and quickly recharge anything that managed to hit.
For TPP that's boosting, for RTS sprint/move attacks. I've tried to show how that looks in videos at main mod page.

But yeah, we will see how it goes with update. I really appreciate any feedback - it's hard to jump out of your own playstyle. Thanks a lot