another amazing job

Just a quick note:

I've gone through the last month and done some updates across the board adjusting almost every edit in the collection. I've added Finisher and Special moves to edits where they were missing to help fill them out. I also focused on filling out Priority slots and adding some pin sequences in addition to some adjustments to Irish Whip logic, also added some more flash pin opportunities for high flyer/technical wrestler edits.

I've done a few sweeping logic adjustments like this in the past but this should really be the last major sweeping update like this on existing edits, I'll continue to make corrections or add new edits on a case by case basis but the overall style of the edits should be up to date and something I'm happy with now.

No worries tommy that makes me fell better when I forget or repeat stuff lol.

I will never say never on the Monday Night Wars, but I have no current plans to start on it.

Based on the roster sizes in that era and how frequently wrestlers changed gimmicks, if I were to tackle that it would be in a one or maybe two year span per fed, not the five I did with these collections.

But it's really about time, I have almost all of the wrestling weekly tv shows from 1982 to 2001 on my pc that I watch to try and get the moves and logic right, but trying to do the heel and face versions or gimmick variations of this era is more than I can tackle at the moment.

Also aTm is the best publicist an edit make could ever want lol :D

tommy, doesnt matter. howdy wants to know how awesome he is! lol.

Old age is getting to me I guess. I just realized I already posted comments to you awhile back that were very similar to this one lol.

After looking through all the top edit makers edits, I just want to say you have an absolutely amazing selection. Your presentations are top notch, from the pics to the bios. All your edits look good, the movesets are pretty darn accurate, and I think your ideas as far as point totals really fit. You have done a tremendous job and I cannot recommend your edits enough. Ever thought of applying your skill to the promotion wars (WWF vs WCW)?

I did another logic/move set type pass with these edits, nothing drastic but I cleaned up some logic and made some minor appearance and move adjustments where needed.

Amazing list

Ok I did a logic/move set/appearance pass on this collection.

There is nothing drastic, but I tweaked logic and adjusted some early pin attempts, after the priorities expanded I went too far for my liking by linking every pin to a priority, so I've made some adjustments there. The effect of this will be getting back to 15-20 min matches for most edits on average.

I also adjusted some skin tones, most of my edits were too pale and I gave more edits a tan to better reflect their real life counterpart.

I also added some headlocks and hip tosses, and this type of updating will continue as things come up, but I'm about to sim some tournaments and if the matches are working as intended these big sweeping type of updates will not be again :D

Added Super Machine and Big Machine via request.

Thanks for bringing this set to life. It'll be a lot of fun punishing everyone that gets in Honky Tonk Man's way! We've got music now baby!

Thank you colin!

Shultz was just outside of the time period I was setting for this collection, but I wanted to include him since I had seen him as a kid have a match with Hogan that I always remembered. I think the match was off one of the VHS tapes but I can't be sure. I always wondered how "Dr. D" would have been used had he been around for the Rock N Wrestling boom.

that paul ordorff is increadible and the shultz is fantastic as well excellent detail and excellent logic thank you very very much

Thanks Sooj! Yeah I don't think I will get the other two collections finished before they add Fire Promoter but once I'm done with them I am going to check it out. My primary goal was to get the wrestling I grew up on made but I didn't know the WWF stuff would take six months LOL, I'm jealous of people porting over from FPR ;)

The WCW and NWA collections shouldn't take as long as the WWF stuff since I have a better idea of what I want the logic to be than when I started, and there are a good number of "re-skins" that can be copied and updated.

Logic wise I've noticed that since the last update, matches are going longer than they were before so there still may be some logic adjustments as I spend more time playing wth the edits.

Thanks for checking out my collections :)

Thanks for all your hard work, Howdy - here’s hoping Fire Promoter let’s us use pre-existing organisations without having to make them from scratch while in that mode. You’ve given us a whole lot of awesome eras and wrestlers to use.

Ok barring anyone that I missed I've done the mp3 association run through. I also adjusted/standardized some priority logic slots and cleaned up any errors that I found. Edits will always be fine tuned but outside of point adjustments/balancing everyone is pretty much done.

Half of these guys or more didn't have entrance music so check the individual bio's for the MP3 notation, if there isn't one there then they did not get a mp3 attached. The 'change notes' will show "MP3/Logic Update" so I just wanted to give a heads up that a number of these guys didn't have themes.

Outside of test simming, I'm in edit mode all of the time, so as I sim tournaments and spend more time playing with the game I may make more adjustments, also feedback from people can also prompt adjustments.

Excluding later additions, I'm finished up on the updates here and next weekend I will have a WCW collection update going up. :)

Very Cool! I 'm running through doing the mp3 update right now so they will have music suport soon too.

You're a machine! Another era down, well done.

Massive 27 edit update today, five tag teams and mostly lower mid-card guys with a few bigger names mixed in. This brings the wrestler edit total of this collection to 149.

Excluding adding random edits I may have missed later on, this completes the WWF 85-90 pack.

I still need to do some mp3 association updates to some edits but that will be coming over the next week and then I will be starting in full on my WCW and NWA-JCP packs.

These edits will be updated for logic adjustment/fixes and for the application of whatever the game may add in the way of moves/features.

I've been working on these edits for the past two weeks so if I missed anything or need to make any adjustments just let me know.

I'm going to add the managers from the 90's pack soon too but I'll do that once this update isn't as new.

I'll also post when I'm done associating the mp3's.

awesome. bravo. bravo!!!

I have another update coming later today with 13 edits, then I have one more with 10 or so I think, so this collection should be filled by the end of the week, or sometime Saturday at the latest :)

Who else, captain? I was going to implement this into my game but I will wait for the remaining edits.

18 new edits today, heel versions of the Islanders and Rougeau Brothers and some other heel wrestlers, and Brother Love. Like my managers and announcers, Brother Love is mostly for decoration and not programmed to wrestle.

I have around 15 or so edits left for this collection, so as Gorilla used to say during a battle royal, we are getting down to the nitty gritty.

cant wait. thanks. keep up the great work.

Yes indeed!

I'm going to be working on WCW 89-93 next with NWA Jim Crockett Promotions 85-88 to follow, but I most likely will be bouncing back and forth between the two since some of the edits overlap.

But yes, early WCW and NWA-JCP are next up.

howdy, are you still going to do the old nwa? i think you had that on your list?

Thank you!

"action figure aesthetic" is a great way to describe them, I like that :D

I'm about 2/3 through logic updating my 90's collection and when I am done I have about 40 edits to complete here, most of them are heel singles and a few tag teams to wind down this collection, so I could be finishing these up in the next week or two I think.

Nothing like seeing these little dudes come to life in great Fire Pro matches. I love the appearances of these collections, the body shaping and all really lend themselves to that action figure aesthetic and it's just a lot of fun to see them in there, especially since the matches are good to boot. Great stuff, Cap!

damn, this is awesome. you need a vacation! thanks

Madness.

35 edit update today, it's a few weeks worth of edits that I was working on, more than usual but I had been busy and just got around to being able to do the pics this weekend. There are a few names here, but most of the update was mid to lower mid card wrestlers, and some tag teams. The Mike Rotunda edits are the same, the only difference is the tag name entered in the nickname section, just an fyi.

Thanks!

Great edits as always.

Love the updates!

Small update, eight wrestlers though technically six since there are two Orndorff's and Macho Man's. Logic overall is still subject to adjustment since the game updates keep adding cool stuff to play with. I've made "placeholders" on my game for the rest of this 80's collection so I have an idea of how many it's going to be. I've been doing organizing with my worksheets and other non-in-game related progress this past week, but my edit output should increase here for a bit since I have most of that finished up. I'm also slowly updating my 90's collection to bring it inline with the game updates too.

Yes you are correct, creators logic can vary from creator to creator. Great thing with Fire Pro is there is now enough room to have all of these edits living together, in the PS2 days I would have different creators on different memory cards but now it's not necessary to split them up.

great stuff howdy. also, i dont mind having some duplicates. becasue i have DJKM edits, Jbravos edits, your edits in diferent groups and like to use that creators edits to sim. to me i just think that a creators logic may be slightly different than someone elses. or instead of having one version of lets say bret hart. i like the early years version, mid years and late years. depending on what im looking for. make sense? but maybe all the creators logic is the same! i havnt looked into it but i assume they are different slightly.

Small update, nine edits, but eight of them are guys I haven't made yet. As usual tweaks/adjustments are to be expected as I do more simming and make more edits.

I also linked a few more edits from my 90's pack but I think that most of the ones I can link to both are done, so as I continue on this collection it should be all new guys.

Thanks View!

I see what you are saying, I usually give people a heads up since I know there is a variety of ways people can approach this game and their edits. The Steam Workshop has really changed the game in how edit distribution works.

I like to try and re-create era's as they happened but I know some like to have 'definitive' versions of edits where they have one Lex Luger edit that covers JCP, WCW, and his WWF gimmicks in one edit with different costumes. I have no issues with that approach but it's not for me and it's not accurate, I could never get used to a Papa Shango edit coming to the ring with his name plate saying Godfather but I know for some they do not care about that as much. I also realize that I don't play the WWE 2K games and they have a tendency to have past gimmicks as alternate costumes, and I think for some that's what they are used too, or prefer, so I understand.

That's the great thing about Fire Pro though, it can reach every type of audience :)

I appreciate the note on edit strategy. I don't think it should be the publisher's responsibility to prevent players from mass downloading duplicates, we should take the time out to organize our collections and clean up any duplicates. For example, I'm cleaning up all existing edits for this period in preparation for downloading from this collection since I enjoy your WWF 95 edits so much.

Thanks for continuing with another great collection. :)

34 Edit Update, some singels and some tag wrestlers.

With logic I am woking with the new priority slots and removing random % critical pins. This is a work in progress and if this works out I will be updating my 90's edits to match this logic prority style. There is not a drastic difference in the edits behavior but it removes odd pin situations.

I have no release schedule for this collection but I have been watching WWF shows from this era and I will be progressing through, like the 90's collection, most wrestlers of note will be covered.

Howdy, you’re a champ. Thanks very much for your replies - they’ve helped a lot. I’m still looking forward to this collection. The 91-95 one was amazing.

For the edits that share a collection I can always make a note here in the comments when I update them and alert people that they have been updated. The 91-95 collection was finished outside of an occasional adjustment until they added the extra seven priority slots.

Ah ok, wow that's a good point, I didn't even think about the updates to the edits and not receving those if you copy them.

As for where an edit would live if you just kept one, I would balance between impact and time spent. Undertaker made his debut in the fall of 1990 but he didn't make much of an impact so I would put him in the 91-95 promotion, but Kerry Von Erich is more tricky. He made his debut in the summer of 1990 and quickly won the IC title, defending it for three months, so you have his six month 1990 but represented as IC Champ, vs his almost two years of time spent from late 90-92 in the WWF where he wasn't a champion.

I would think making a choice would just be a temporary issue, I've spent four months on this era of WWF so I'm looking to eventually be moving on to other era collections and not updating these as much so then making a copy would be a safe bet.

Always appreciate the detailed replies, Cap - I was considering making duplicate copies of identical wrestlers that ended up across multiple packs but wasn’t sure whether the copies would update alongside the originals... Have you any idea on whether they do or not?

But I was also meaning more of, if I were to just have the one Texas Tornado edit (who fits in both your WWF collections), would it be more apt to slot him into the 85-90 promotion in my game (since he debuted in 1990) or leave him in the 91-95 promotion (since his bio mentions his post-IC title feud with Flair)? Sorry for the confusing question - and thanks!

Hey Sooj!

I think I understand what you are asking, but if I don't please feel free to clarify :)

I'm linking the wrestlers like the ones you mentioned to this collection and people can make a copy of them in their game if they seperate thier edts by time period like I do, if you do not seperate your edtis by the time periods specified by my pack then you only need the one edit, I hope that makes sense lol.

This will only apply to wrestlers like the above mentioned where there would be no difference in the edit. Any name changes or attire changes or heel/face variations that didn't exist in the other pack will get a new edit. Big Bossman is an expample of receiving a new edit for a heel version, and Warlord and Barbarian are getting new edits to match their look/attire from this time, but Legion of Doom for example will just get linked to the collection.

Tito Santana is an example of someone who will have a higher point total due to being IC Champion.

Hey Howdy, really anticipating this collection. Would you recommend moving the wrestlers already present in your 91-95 pack that feature in this collection TO this collection - for more authenticity? I.e., Undertaker, Tugboat, Kerry Von Erich and others who feature in the 91-95 collection but were from the year 1990?

Thanks!

Awesome!

oh yeah.... so it begins!!!!!

Hoooo boy! Can’t wait.