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Was Steam's decision to allow adult game on their platform good, or bad?
Was Steam's decision to allow adult game on their platform good, or bad?

Why did steam not just create a separate platform just for adult games?

With a single click under profile settings, kids can get direct access to some very explicit gaming content, this seems unacceptable.

It seems like the type of adult games being allowed are getting more and more explicit and extreme as time ticks on, a very unfortunate downward spiral.

What are your thoughts and feelings, community?
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I'm sorry, but that doesn't make sense based on what everyone else has ever said about this issue before.
HUH?!
I'm out of this thread.
Naposledy upravil davidb11; 1. kvě. 2023 v 12.08
Hunter Este původně napsal:
Was Steam's decision to allow adult game on their platform good, or bad?

Why did steam not just create a separate platform just for adult games?

With a single click under profile settings, kids can get direct access to some very explicit gaming content, this seems unacceptable.

It seems like the type of adult games being allowed are getting more and more explicit and extreme as time ticks on, a very unfortunate downward spiral.

What are your thoughts and feelings, community?

PARENTS RESPONSIBILITY

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Naposledy upravil AmsterdamHeavy; 1. kvě. 2023 v 12.10
davidb11 původně napsal:
I'm sorry, but that doesn't make sense based on what everyone else has ever said about this issue before.
HUH?!
I'm out of this thread.
The only thing people always said about the Adult Only checkbox is that it is unchecked by default, ergo Adult Only content is not viewable on a fresh account. People have to opt in by marking the checkbox to see the content.

There is no way that the checkbox is hidden until a person is 18. If that was true, that would mean there was an actual age verification system and there wouldn't be a fuss about Germany and the blockade of Adult Only content.
Naposledy upravil Crazy Tiger; 1. kvě. 2023 v 12.11
But there have been so many people talking about how it will not show up there until someone is 18.
And it's been documented that it doesn't show up on kid's accounts at all!

So, this makes zero sense ever.
davidb11 původně napsal:
But there have been so many people talking about how it will not show up there until someone is 18.
And it's been documented that it doesn't show up on kid's accounts at all!

So, this makes zero sense ever.

For it to make sense, please explain where Steam is storing a birth date.
Hunter Este původně napsal:
Was Steam's decision to allow adult game on their platform good, or bad?
I guess that depends on who you're asking ;)

Hunter Este původně napsal:
With a single click under profile settings, kids can get direct access to some very explicit gaming content, this seems unacceptable.
I'll do you one more: with a few more clicks they can turn off any kind of filter on Google or Bing and then search for pr0n to their hearts desire, with the only real issue that there's a lot of utter garbage out there, completely unrestricted. THAT is something that would worry me had I been a parent, but not the stuff that's on Steam, which is also semi-regulated.

And for context sakes: this is coming from someone who has enabled adult contents and sporadically also plays such games.

IMO you should get your priorities straight here.... not to mention that in the end this whole thing boils down to.. well, maybe better raise your children? Instead of trying to hide stuff, maybe prepare them for all this? Make it something they feel free to talk about if they have any questions or issues?

My thoughts on this are simple: it's always much easier to blame others.
Hunter Este původně napsal:
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What are your thoughts and feelings, community?

It was the wrong choice to make. Whether or not it is good or bad depends on other consideration. Whether or not a store should sell "adult" products, in the US under which Laws Steam must abide, has always depended on the reliability of that store being able to confirm if a buyer is of legal age. Steam can not reliably confirm that.

Personally, outside of right and wrong, good or bad, it's just an indicator of greed. They did it because they could, regardless of any moral, ethical, legal, obligations or social responsibility. They likely justified it to themselves, saying that "If we don't do it, someone else will."

Steam relies on the defense of "it's the user's fault" to defend against content criticism. If users don't want the content, they don't have to see it or purchase it. If a user inputs the wrong age, they are at fault for non-actionable fraud, since a child is not likely to ever be sued successfully for fraud. They did it and blame any negative reaction on those who are reacting to what they did...

I'm not a prude nor seeking to impose any moral standards, here. Adults, as long as they're not hurting themselves or others, may freely engage in whatever titilating entertainment choices they wish. But, by offering such products, Valve/Steam has willingly dived down into the muck, sullied its own image, and has bowed to greed as their guiding principle, even if a choice is socially repugnant.

Businesses are in business to make money. This is true. But, that does not also mean they must do that at any cost and must ignore a semblance of social responsibility or moral integrity. When it comes to their product offerings, Valve has practically demonstrated they are willing to pursue their business practices and desire for profit "at any cost."
i feel like at least steam gives users the option if they want them or not, you could disable them on your account, or you could wonder as to why they are showing up, maybe someone in your house hold activated the adult only games.

either way its actually healthy content allow people to be morally open and you will see morality grows and improves if you don't try to force it upon people, those who are forced into morality are usually immoral.
I have no issues with that, the decision was IMO good. Convenient for me and generate sales for Steam.

Any 18+ adult content website can be easily accessed online and that has been a fact for a very long time.

Morality wise, I have no issue with that either. Puritan people somehow cringe at nudity but are happy to kill people in CS:GO or other games with much more gore and blood.
Hunter Este původně napsal:
Was Steam's decision to allow adult game on their platform good, or bad?

Allowing more games is always a good thing.

I just wish they were a bit more... consistent about it. Do they allow "adult games"? No, they don't. Not in Germany, anyway, because apparently they'd have to add an age verification system which they don't want to do, so they took the easy way out.
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Hunter Este původně napsal:
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What are your thoughts and feelings, community?

It was the wrong choice to make. Whether or not it is good or bad depends on other consideration. Whether or not a store should sell "adult" products, in the US under which Laws Steam must abide, has always depended on the reliability of that store being able to confirm if a buyer is of legal age. Steam can not reliably confirm that.

So all the games like Doom that are 18 rated for violence should never have been allowed on the platform then?
Hunter Este původně napsal:
Was Steam's decision to allow adult game on their platform good, or bad?

Good.

Hunter Este původně napsal:
Why did steam not just create a separate platform just for adult games?

The same reason why games involving gore and violence are allowed.

Hunter Este původně napsal:
It seems like the type of adult games being allowed are getting more and more explicit and extreme as time ticks on, a very unfortunate downward spiral.

What are your thoughts and feelings, community?

If people don't blink an eye to the amount of gore and violence in games, then they can't really complain about a bit of nudity or sex.
I don't really buy into "will someone please think of the children" line of reasoning, because ultimately Steam provides tools for parents that they can utilise to control what a child has access to. They have also made it where you can't view adult only content if you're not signed in.

That's not even to mention the old debate of why hyper violence is ok in games, but sex is somehow inherently bad. Which rightfully, imo gets brought up in these discussions. But anyhow, for myself I don't have any issue with them existing for users that are into them. This is because Steam has provided a way for me to opt out, so their existence has no real impact on me.
Naposledy upravil Sleepy Yoshi; 1. kvě. 2023 v 23.56
Hunter Este původně napsal:
With a single click under profile settings, kids can get direct access to some very explicit gaming content, this seems unacceptable.
Steam has parenting tools and they can prevent kids from accessing the store and changing settings and until a certain mental age this should totally be utilized.
sfnhltb původně napsal:
So all the games like Doom that are 18 rated for violence should never have been allowed on the platform then?

That wasn't what the question was about. This is about "adult" games. It's about pornography. There's not an equivalency, here. I would, however, agree that games that have been rated for adults only should only be purchased by adults. But, the ESRB is part of the industry's "Self-Regulatory" efforts and is a sham... These days, such a rating for a video game is for marketing purposes, to push sales to the same audience it claims can't play them...
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