Steam buy ban in the netherlands

[markuv]

wtf is wrong with steam. People in The Netherlands cant buy CS:GO, H1Z1, any skin on the steam market. Why tf did they make it like that. The error shows: ''You cant buy this item in your country''

[Rogue_Zephyr (Meta)]

They are doing you a favor to be honest. CS:GO isn't the greatest.

[wuddih]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Rogue_Zephyr (Meta):

They are doing you a favor to be honest. CS:GO isn't the greatest.

they do everyone a favor and this is not just the netherlands, this is den haag. everyone for multinational and cross-border jurisdiction sits there.

Valve had years to get their crap together. this would not have happend if they went aggressively against 3rd party sites instead of their "hey bros, could you please not? ok? cya"-mentality.

i dont even know ... did Valve implement case item drop chances for everything yet, like it is required by chinese law or is this still just occasionally for some cases?

[cSg|mc-Hotsauce]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από wuddih:

i dont even know ... did Valve implement case item drop chances for everything yet, like it is required by chinese law or is this still just occasionally for some cases?

They have their own cases and drop chances in their version Perfect World CS:GO.

https://www.reddit.com/r/GlobalOffensive/comments/6zd9yx/perfect_world_csgo_has_finally_published_their/

[cinedine]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Radene:

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από cinedine:

I wager there is pretty significant overlap.

What's the wager, and how do we determine the truth?

We will follow the holy biddings of betting that have been passed down from the Elders and will bet one wealth (which amounts to EUR 0.10 ... long story ;) ).
We will meet up at Gamescom and ask people three simple questions:
(1) Do you think lootboxes are gambling.
(2) Do you think gambling in gaming should be regulated.
(3) Do you think it'S a good idea to ban unlawful games from sale.
And following the holy bidding of surveys that also have been passed down from the Elders, we will offer one piece of chocolate for the participants.

Thus are the ways The Truth shall be determined.

[rdbooker1]

In U.S.A. ny family argued thet would not be able to compete. All 4 of my children have engineering degrees, and all of them are so far ahead of their compatriots that none will ever catch up.

[secuda]

From my recalls it was an outcry of millions gamers who wanted to ban lootboxes. their last resort come to politisians. so this is the result of that.

[Start_Running]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από secuda:

From my recalls it was an outcry of millions gamers who wanted to ban lootboxes. their last resort come to politisians. so this is the result of that.

Politicians and developers. See just because its deemed gambling doesn't make it 'bad. Just means the publishers have to pay certain fees for the approriate right tom operate gambling games within the counmtry.'


Valve as a publisher considered this and said. 'Screw that noise. and ergo they have removed the ability to acquire those items from boxes or the market place. Which simply means there is game content that people in the Netherlands will no longer be able to acquire, unlike their british and american counterparts.

Seems fair. From trhe get go this seemed more like the government coming up witha pretense to wring some extra taxes out of game publishers that it was for the protection of the citizens. Of course since these are all cosmetic items you don't lose anything by not having them, except the niggling rage of seing someone with a sweet skin you now know you will never have.
One beacon of hope however could be that it may , as i suspect, be publisher choice., which means each publisher gets to make that decision . Heck Valve might change their tune, depending on how much of a tick they see in their revenue from the region.. Me thinks the question the developers are left with, 'is this region worth the extra money?'

[markuv]

Its just ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥

[Count_Dandyman]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Start_Running:

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από secuda:

From my recalls it was an outcry of millions gamers who wanted to ban lootboxes. their last resort come to politisians. so this is the result of that.

Politicians and developers. See just because its deemed gambling doesn't make it 'bad. Just means the publishers have to pay certain fees for the approriate right tom operate gambling games within the counmtry.'


Valve as a publisher considered this and said. 'Screw that noise. and ergo they have removed the ability to acquire those items from boxes or the market place. Which simply means there is game content that people in the Netherlands will no longer be able to acquire, unlike their british and american counterparts.

Seems fair. From trhe get go this seemed more like the government coming up witha pretense to wring some extra taxes out of game publishers that it was for the protection of the citizens. Of course since these are all cosmetic items you don't lose anything by not having them, except the niggling rage of seing someone with a sweet skin you now know you will never have.
One beacon of hope however could be that it may , as i suspect, be publisher choice., which means each publisher gets to make that decision . Heck Valve might change their tune, depending on how much of a tick they see in their revenue from the region.. Me thinks the question the developers are left with, 'is this region worth the extra money?'

Its not just the need to pay fees its also the need to restrict access from anyone under 18, track users spending to prevent them going beyond reaonable losses on it and providing clarity over odds with goverment bodies having full access to everything to ensure it isn't rigged.

And thats before dealing with the need to wait until gambling laws in that area even allow outside companies to get a licence in the first place.

[Donna Pinciotti]

I believe trading and using the market has been or will be restored soon. They have just made it so no one in NL can open crates.

[Spawn of Totoro]

http://blog.counter-strike.net/index.php/2018/07/20618/

[ MISC ]
– Updated Steam and CS:GO account restrictions for users in Netherlands and Belgium:
— Steam Trading and Steam Market features are now re-enabled for Steam accounts in Netherlands.
— Customers in Netherlands and Belgium will be restricted from opening containers.

[Ganger]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από MarkyyNL:

What age do you need to be to play the game. Becaus most of the people that cry about the gambling are the parents of little kids that play the game. But if there is a age restriction then its the fault of the parents and not CS:GO's fault

Don't blame the parents, blame the kid that gambles.

They are strict laws around gambling, if trading skins was seen as gambling thought out europe and the USA then all players who want to trade skins would have too be 18 or 21 years old, have proof of ID, bank account and what ever else. It would be too much work for valve too keep track off. If underage kids did gamble, valve would face massive fines and/or jail time.

But this dutch law will soon pass on to other EU nations in due course...

[sebo]

they are doing you a good service. plenty of other games you can purchase and enjoy, you aren't missing anything.
i hope they start regulating and banning mircrotranactions in games here in the states.

[SpunkyJones]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από sebo:

they are doing you a good service. plenty of other games you can purchase and enjoy, you aren't missing anything.
i hope they start regulating and banning mircrotranactions in games here in the states.

On what legal basis would there be any regulation on micro transactions?

[Start_Running]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από sebo:

they are doing you a good service. plenty of other games you can purchase and enjoy, you aren't missing anything.
i hope they start regulating and banning mircrotranactions in games here in the states.

Then say goodbye to F2P Mobass, Shootes, and just about every otehr such game.

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Count_Dandyman:

Its not just the need to pay fees its also the need to restrict access from anyone under 18,

Within reason and when it comes to the internet there's not a lot that can reasonably be done. except have proof that the person entered the area under false pretext. I.e they lied .

track users spending to prevent them going beyond reaonable losses on it and providing clarity over odds with goverment bodies having full access to everything to ensure it isn't rigged.

How do you consider something a loss when the value of the items is entirely speculative? It is theoretically impossible to lose since you always win an item and the value of the item is subjective and speculation prone. How can you measure 'loss' in such terms. You really can't.

As for providing the odds. That's easily done but more apt to be harmful to the end users the government is supposedly trying to protect. The human mind does not process probability very well. It's why most games don't have true RNGs, they have doctored RNGs., because to most humans a true RNG looks 'rigged'.

Monitoring spending, well they provide the tools for self-monitoring. I will guarantee any spending limit Valve imposes will have some percentage of users crying foul.

And thats before dealing with the need to wait until gambling laws in that area even allow outside companies to get a licence in the first place.

They can create local offices easily enough. SO long as its under the name of a tax paying business in their jurisdiction then it's cool.