Turns out you can't call out nazis on Steam forums

[_oBSOLEte_]

Got banned from Darktide's Steam forum discussion because I described a profile there as "vaguely ♥♥♥♥". Profile name is a german name with a german cross, profile pic is a ♥♥♥♥ using a flamethrower. Steam badge is an icon with SS.

Of course that post was reported by the guy and his friends, then promptly removed by a bot/mod.

I've discussed the ban reason with steam support. Here is the closing response of my ticket.



"Hello,

The "objectionable content" is you accusing another user of being a ♥♥♥♥. If you see another user posting rule-breaking content or with concerning profile content you believe should be brought to our attention, you should report this content rather than engaging with it or publicly shaming another user.

To do this, I encourage you to use our official reporting feature - your account will remain anonymous during this process:
Reporting Content

We don't provide details regarding our moderation decisions, but you will receive a Steam notification if action is taken on behalf of one of your reports.

Because we have provided all the information we have for your issue I'm closing this help request. If you have an unrelated issue please open a new help request and we will be happy to help.

Best Regards,
Wallace"



I still dont think I publicly shamed or accused anyone of anything. Obvious ♥♥♥♥ is obvious, I also dont understand why they didn't even acknowledged that the profile was using ♥♥♥♥ imagery, they just repeated the same "I encourage you to use the reporting feature" like bots while being completely oblivious that I was reporting it.

Your thoughts?

Edit : Selected "answer" below because it made me lol.

[_oBSOLEte_]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von AmsterdamHeavy:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von M4st0d0n:

As it should be. Were you called a ♥♥♥♥ by allied roleplayers on that forum?

No. It was generally all of the other Steam denizens that dont even know the difference between the SS and the Wehrmacht, as one example.

It was all generalizations of "vaguely ♥♥♥♥-ish".

The people that dont know that Valve themselves bought the mod Day of Defeat turned it into a game, and then updated it for Source.

Oh so you were the only guys roleplaying there?

[AmsterdamHeavy]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von M4st0d0n:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von AmsterdamHeavy:

No. It was generally all of the other Steam denizens that dont even know the difference between the SS and the Wehrmacht, as one example.

It was all generalizations of "vaguely ♥♥♥♥-ish".

The people that dont know that Valve themselves bought the mod Day of Defeat turned it into a game, and then updated it for Source.

Oh so you were the only guys roleplaying there?

No. All of the German units experienced this.

I assume anyone still into that for any of the WWII games is still experiencing it.


Its what happens when some fool just overreacts to anything "vaguely ♥♥♥♥-ish" thinking they are making a point about....something.

We kept a subforum open on our website just for those people to come and vent so we could laugh at them. It was always "Reported to Steam".

It was good for laughs.

[_oBSOLEte_]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von AmsterdamHeavy:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von M4st0d0n:

Oh so you were the only guys roleplaying there?

No. All of the German units experienced this.

I assume anyone still into that for any of the WWII games is still experiencing it.


Its what happens when some fool just overreacts to anything "vaguely ♥♥♥♥-ish" thinking they are making a point about....something.

Sure, sure. Doesn't help when it's not a forum dedicated to roleplay tho.

[crunchyfrog]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von M4st0d0n:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von AmsterdamHeavy:

No. All of the German units experienced this.

I assume anyone still into that for any of the WWII games is still experiencing it.


Its what happens when some fool just overreacts to anything "vaguely ♥♥♥♥-ish" thinking they are making a point about....something.

Sure, sure. Doesn't help when it's not a forum dedicated to roleplay tho.

That's moving the goalposts though, as he never claimed that.

He was making the point that in some cases it's unwarranted. Not when it is.

[_oBSOLEte_]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von crunchyfrog:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von M4st0d0n:

Sure, sure. Doesn't help when it's not a forum dedicated to roleplay tho.

That's moving the goalposts though, as he never claimed that.

He was making the point that in some cases it's unwarranted. Not when it is.

Maybe we should try to find a way for non-roleplaying people to communicate to a ♥♥♥♥ roleplayer that they are using ♥♥♥♥ imagery in their profile without hurting their feelings.

[crunchyfrog]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von M4st0d0n:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von crunchyfrog:

That's moving the goalposts though, as he never claimed that.

He was making the point that in some cases it's unwarranted. Not when it is.

Maybe we should try to find a way for non-roleplaying people to communicate to a ♥♥♥♥ roleplayer that they are using ♥♥♥♥ imagery in their profile without hurting their feelings.

Or maybe we should stop strawmnanning eh?

Because they clearly said that there's a valid reason to get harrassed when people make incorrect assumptions about their beliefs.

[AmsterdamHeavy]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von M4st0d0n:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von crunchyfrog:

That's moving the goalposts though, as he never claimed that.

He was making the point that in some cases it's unwarranted. Not when it is.

Maybe we should try to find a way for non-roleplaying people to communicate to a ♥♥♥♥ roleplayer that they are using ♥♥♥♥ imagery in their profile without hurting their feelings.

Maybe people should learn that not every German was a ♥♥♥♥. Maybe people should remember they are on a gaming site with a list of WWII games as long as your arm. Maybe people should learn theres this thing that been around for 20 years now called the "realism gaming community".

One of those guys I used to play with has a WWII re-enactment group where...guess what? They are the Germans. They own a few trucks and weapons and the like and they play dress up in their Wehrmacht uniforms.

...and they called "♥♥♥♥" pretty regularly by people who dont know better and have no interest in knowing better.

As I said, someone needs to play the opposition for these things:

https://www.milsurpia.com/reenactment-groups/world-war-2-reenactors


Yelling "♥♥♥♥ ♥♥♥♥ ♥♥♥♥" is useless, dramatic, emotional, and most importantly INACCURATE.

This group claims no sympathies with any racist or totalitarian regimes, groups, or organization, this is a Military History Reenactment Group only.

Maybe youre starting to understand your ban now?

No. Probably not.

[wuddih]

well, here is a thing about "nazis":
they no longer exist.

what exists are skewed ideologies weaponized for political and social agendas
you can really compare it to most religions and cults as those follow the same methodology to recruit more followers.
users, in any way, joking about this matter or drawing attention to it, do not help.

[kingjames488]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von AmsterdamHeavy:

So....there used to be a lot of "realism" groups in the WWII community, in particular.

Because most games are allies/axis, one side is generally the Germans, due to a lack of other nations being included usually. Someone needs to play the "other side".

I used to be in a German WWII unit. We all used time period appropriate imagery down to profile pics. All Wehrmacht, with German rankings in the display names and so on.

People tried to report things constantly...and unsuccessfully.

We were just playing a game...

probably used to be because you can totally get banned for that... just because you didn't doesn't mean it can't happen.

[AmsterdamHeavy]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von kingjames488:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von AmsterdamHeavy:

So....there used to be a lot of "realism" groups in the WWII community, in particular.

Because most games are allies/axis, one side is generally the Germans, due to a lack of other nations being included usually. Someone needs to play the "other side".

I used to be in a German WWII unit. We all used time period appropriate imagery down to profile pics. All Wehrmacht, with German rankings in the display names and so on.

People tried to report things constantly...and unsuccessfully.

We were just playing a game...

probably used to be because you can totally get banned for that... just because you didn't doesn't mean it can't happen.

You have no idea what you are talking about. That came straight from your ass. "Used to be" meaning I have no idea because I left WWII FPS games behind a very long time ago.

Oh look, a group search shows that plenty still exist. Why? Because they break no rules. Why? Because the rules are regarding SS imagery.

No. Not one of us was ever banned.

[TurtleShroom]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von AmsterdamHeavy:

German WWII does not equal ♥♥♥♥. Now you know. Youre welcome.

I mean, they were technically Nazis, but I personally think there is a difference between the all-volunteer SS that manned the death camps, or the volunteer Einzentgruppen death squads, versus the German Army, which was comprised of conscripts.

In my opinion, if you are reenacting a WWII battle online and you are playing as a German Army soldier, you can't be accused of being pro-♥♥♥♥ as much as playing a SS agent. This is because you are taking the role of a conscript, who was made to serve Hitler. You weren't a volunteer who believed in exterminating innocents, like the death squads or the SS were.

That said, when it comes to military reenactments in RL, no one has to sympathize with a cause to play the "other team".

[crunchyfrog]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von kingjames488:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von AmsterdamHeavy:

So....there used to be a lot of "realism" groups in the WWII community, in particular.

Because most games are allies/axis, one side is generally the Germans, due to a lack of other nations being included usually. Someone needs to play the "other side".

I used to be in a German WWII unit. We all used time period appropriate imagery down to profile pics. All Wehrmacht, with German rankings in the display names and so on.

People tried to report things constantly...and unsuccessfully.

We were just playing a game...

probably used to be because you can totally get banned for that... just because you didn't doesn't mean it can't happen.

Not at all true.

Role playing in a game that is set up with the ACTUAL sides being WW2 forces has never got you actioned.

Please deemonstrate evidence of this.

[Stiletto]

Get over it already. It was 80 years ago, none of you participated, so you have no real personal connection upon which to get so upset. There's about six million WW2 games and yes some people play as Nazis and you need to wake up to the fact that it's not real.

[crunchyfrog]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Stiletto:

Get over it already. It was 80 years ago, none of you participated, so you have no real personal connection upon which to get so upset. There's about six million WW2 games and yes some people play as Nazis and you need to wake up to the fact that it's not real.

Actually I do have a somewhat personal connection.

My dad was military police in India. The horror stories he brought back affected him.

[Stiletto]

Then it personally affected him in a way far different than merely being told stories would affect you. I did a lengthy interview with a Vietnam veteran but I'm not going to pretend I know where he's been. I certainly wouldn't report some account for supporting Ho Chi Minh and the Viet Minh. In fact I'm pretty sure you can get away with a Communist-themed profile with zero issues.