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GrumpyGrumpyMeh 2021 年 7 月 1 日 上午 8:21
So as a Canadian i have to pay tax now?
Bought a game 5 days ago and didn't have to pay tax, now that the problem with adding games to the cart seems to be fixed (for me anyway), its trying to charge me tax?

NM... just did a google search and ya, f me, a new law came in to effect today in Canada that steam and other online services have to charge us tax. So now i get to add 13% to all the steam prices.. f'n fantastic.
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Satoru 2021 年 7 月 1 日 上午 8:23 
Yes you’re free to go scream at Trudeau about it as it’s a federal tax mandate
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wuddih 2021 年 7 月 1 日 上午 8:35 
the most annoying thing that it is additive like in the US because every damn state has their own tax laws.

meanwhile the rest of the planet has their tax included in the store price.
nullable 2021 年 7 月 1 日 上午 8:36 
Well unless you've been living under a rock the last few years have put the writing on the wall, with numerous U.S. states and EU countries adopting laws for collecting taxes on online purchases, imagining Canada would leave all that tax revenue on the table was probably wishful thinking.

And honestly for as long at the Internet has been around and for as long as governments have been fretting over sales taxes not being collected I'm honestly shocked it took as long as it did to enforce collection.

Regardless that tax avoidance was always going to end.
Hairy Goober 2021 年 7 月 1 日 上午 8:36 
Haha yeah, wasn't supposed to come into effect until the start of today but they brought it in about half a day early for us.
GrumpyGrumpyMeh 2021 年 7 月 1 日 上午 8:46 
It wasn't about enforcement, if you didn't have a physical presence (ie servers, etc..) in Canada then you didn't have to pay tax. It seems they passed a law last year that came in to effect today that makes all sales from online services/stores in Canada have to pay tax.

What bothers me is steam didn't even give a notice that this was going to happen, which would have been a nice thing to do for their poutine eating customers. The rock i live under doesn't seem to get news about all the laws being passed that might affect me =(
nullable 2021 年 7 月 1 日 上午 9:12 
引用自 GrumpyGrumpyMeh
It wasn't about enforcement, if you didn't have a physical presence (ie servers, etc..) in Canada then you didn't have to pay tax. It seems they passed a law last year that came in to effect today that makes all sales from online services/stores in Canada have to pay tax.

And that changed, for the same reasons multiple states and countries changed their laws. More and more revenue being funneled toward purchases where sales tax wasn't being collected, which no matter how you want to slice it means potential tax revenue being left on the table.

Internet businesses were benefiting from a system that wasn't designed to deal with the realities of online sales. And that status quo of only collecting taxes under very specific circumstances wasn't going to be permanent. Again, wishful thinking if you thought it was.

引用自 GrumpyGrumpyMeh
What bothers me is steam didn't even give a notice that this was going to happen, which would have been a nice thing to do for their poutine eating customers. The rock i live under doesn't seem to get news about all the laws being passed that might affect me =(

I disagree that it's Valve's job to keep you informed about your country's laws.

Assuming Steam isn't the only online store you shop at, for perspective, how many of the ones do you use informed you about Canadian Sales tax collection?
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Ream 2021 年 7 月 1 日 上午 9:19 
Welcome to economy.
cSg|mc-Hotsauce 2021 年 7 月 1 日 上午 9:21 
引用自 GrumpyGrumpyMeh
What bothers me is steam didn't even give a notice that this was going to happen, which would have been a nice thing to do for their poutine eating customers. The rock i live under doesn't seem to get news about all the laws being passed that might affect me =(

They didn't warn US users when their states laws went into effect imposing the new digital sales tax. There were dozens of threads spread out over about a year from users in selected states because some went into effect during different months.

It wasn't Valve's responsibility to issue a PSA.

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sfnhltb 2021 年 7 月 1 日 上午 9:28 
The existence of loopholes where foreign vendors got to sell you stuff without tax while your local companies got taxed was always going to get closed, the surprise is only how long it took for some governments to fill that hole.
Mad Scientist 2021 年 7 月 1 日 上午 9:54 
Welcome to the taxation, OP. Was nice being tax free while it lasted. :cozycastondeath:

引用自 sfnhltb
The existence of loopholes where foreign vendors got to sell you stuff without tax while your local companies got taxed was always going to get closed, the surprise is only how long it took for some governments to fill that hole.
Well government is not exactly very intelligent in regard to the internet. A lot of them still use WindowsXP as well, so that should be fairly telling as well of their knowledge level about the internet other than social media. Once however, they see another point of taxation - then they like to move quickly.
nullable 2021 年 7 月 1 日 上午 10:02 
引用自 Mr. Gentlebot
A lot of them still use WindowsXP as well, so that should be fairly telling as well of their knowledge level about the internet other than social media. Once however, they see another point of taxation - then they like to move quickly.

I think it's more telling about budgets and management, which whether in government or private business isn't really concerned about legacy systems or software until something is on fire. I mean if you've only ever worked IT at businesses that had zero legacy systems or hardware bully for you. I'd say you've had very few jobs, very limited experience, or have been obscenely fortunate in employers, or maybe just fortunate to not have to work on the legacy systems.

Staying current and cutting edge sounds great (I'm for it), lots of tax payers and politicians have opinions about how money ought to be spent though. And you can put off investing in something one day at a time for a long time in reality. After all what day is a good day to spend millions of dollars on infrastructure upgrades?

IE the people with strong opinions about technology often aren't in charge of the budget.
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Mad Scientist 2021 年 7 月 1 日 上午 10:23 
引用自 Snakub Plissken
引用自 Mr. Gentlebot
A lot of them still use WindowsXP as well, so that should be fairly telling as well of their knowledge level about the internet other than social media. Once however, they see another point of taxation - then they like to move quickly.

I think it's more telling about budgets and management
Not in as many cases as you'd think.

引用自 Snakub Plissken
I mean if you've only ever worked IT at businesses that had zero legacy systems or hardware bully for you. I'd say you've had very few jobs, very limited experience, or have been obscenely fortunate in employers, or maybe just fortunate to not have to work on the legacy systems.
Except for the fact that not everywhere is the same; a lot of places ive worked at had equipment falling apart or barely functioning from the very early 2000s, and budget was not an issue whatsoever in it. People just didn't want to move to the newer stuff, legacy is definitely what was the most popular as the new stuff was 'too complicated' for the people to switch. Else, in some cases proper management of using older equipment sitting around doing nothing, but they have plenty of budget. Seen many DMV places use windows XP and older systems, even for new branches.

引用自 Snakub Plissken
After all what day is a good day to spend millions of dollars on infrastructure upgrades?
In many cases, the government is unaccounted spending on infrastructure, in other cases they blatantly spend on one thing, and neglect another. I visited a state not long ago, and their capital had a freeway completely in disrepair that it had to be neglected for years, down to the actual dirt beneath the asphalt, yet they've spent on completely optional meaningless things through a majority of the year. Another state I went to was recently repaving roads in a perfect condition, due to failure to oversee projects and just pay a bill without question due to being a contracted team.

Government isn't exactly efficient or wise in many cases, and often in many places the lack of upgrades is due to an aged workforce.

引用自 Snakub Plissken
IE the people with strong opinions about technology often aren't in charge of the budget.
Which is why experienced IT people like to keep email printouts/digital copies and personal logs, should they be ignored and blamed for failures. Seen a fair amount of stories where people were fired for not listening to IT about replacing failing equipment, only because IT had their own records of being ignored for months to years and the critical failure(s) cause more loss than the cost of replacing, especially due to having to wait for it all to arrive after the fact.

引用自 Reameb
Welcome to economy.
Welcome to government intervention in economy :edf:
cSg|mc-Hotsauce 2021 年 7 月 1 日 上午 10:50 
Seems like in game items and possibly Market items have taxes on them as well.

引用自 Mythical Ostrich
Now I'm going to have to jump through hoops to avoid taxes.

Sounds like you are asking for an account lock for fraud. I advise against it.

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Mythical Ostrich 2021 年 7 月 1 日 上午 10:58 
引用自 cSg|mc-Hotsauce

Sounds like you are asking for an account lock for fraud. I advise against it.

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It's not against the rules to buy games from official online stores, I checked and some of them don't the have this tax (yet). So I'll be buying from them.
cSg|mc-Hotsauce 2021 年 7 月 1 日 上午 11:08 
Ok... Just found out that in game purchases like cases, keys and other fun stuff in the game itself (direct purchase from Valve) are taxed but Market purchases still remain untaxed.

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