Writing a thought guide - need help

[Xander77]

Going to write a guide to all the thoughts you can get - how you can get them, what are the effects while researching them, what's the final result once they are internalized.

Anyways, there are a few thoughts I haven't been able to figure out yet.

Anyone know how to get these? I wouldn't mind getting the full rundown of what they do, at the very least, I need to know how to unlock them myself:

Arno Van Eyck, Boiadeiro, Cleaning out the Rooms, Finger on the Eject button, Hardcore Aesthetic, Magnesium-Based Lifeform, Overproductive Honour Glands, The Bow Collector, The Jamrock Shuffle, Torque Dork

[Sisyphus]

Arno van Eyck - speak to Egg head in the church about making his beat more hardcore. Boiadeiro- you need to speak to Manana about his name (you might also need to research boiadeiros from Paledriver or elsewhere, Cleaning Out the Rooms - solve the logic check from Soona in the Church, Magnesium Based - requires a reasonably high Physique (maybe 5?) possibly Endurance or Electro to get a thought about magnesium

[Xander77]

I talked with the old lorry driver lady about Boaideros, and got shut down hard at the very thought of possibly being one when talking to Mnana. Some sort of skill check I need to pass?

Magnesium Based - is that when talking to Cuno, or just in general?

[Du-Vu]

Not sure what it does require, but I got Magnesium-Based Lifeform on a save I started with PSY, PHY, and MOT all at 2. Could it be tied to talking to Cuno about the Magnesolam tube in his shack?

With Boiadero, I think Encyclopedia and maybe Logic can tell you you're definitely not a boiadero if they're too high.

[One Arm Biker Yang]

Originally posted by Xander77:

I talked with the old lorry driver lady about Boaideros, and got shut down hard at the very thought of possibly being one when talking to Mnana. Some sort of skill check I need to pass?

Magnesium Based - is that when talking to Cuno, or just in general?

For the Manana thing, it's based on logic- having it high prevents you from going down that chain of thought, though I don't know the limit- I'd imagine Logic above 3 or 4?

[MrSmiley]

Overproductive Honour Gland is literally just about getting enough honour points - I got it right at the end of the game. Then shoved my thumb up my bumhole in front of Kim and the murderer. To honour myself. It gives you 25,000 honour points.

Basically it's a useless stat.

[Xander77]

Originally posted by MrSmiley:

Overproductive Honour Gland is literally just about getting enough honour points - I got it right at the end of the game. Then shoved my thumb up my bumhole in front of Kim and the murderer. To honour myself. It gives you 25,000 honour points.

Basically it's a useless stat.

Just to be clear - you gain honor points by refusing bribes and by...? Also, can you lose any?

[MrSmiley]

Seems pretty arbitrary how they give them out, I definitely didn't get offered 25 bribes. But I think just by honouring you word, not backstabbing anyone, or stealing anything etc.

[Krag]

Originally posted by Xander77:

Just to be clear - you gain honor points by refusing bribes and by...? Also, can you lose any?

I think you just have to bring up honor as often as possible when you're given the choice to express yourself. Then you stick your thumb up your butt to form the *Arch of Honor* when given the option and there you have it. It's related to Authority so you may need a certain amount of points into that (I had 5 most of the time).

[Longes]

Magnesium-Based Lifeform
Go to Cuno's shack, see magnesium tube there. Go back to Cuno, talk about his shack, talk about magnesium. After exiting the dialogue you will get the thought about becoming a magnesium-based lifeform.

[Longes]

The Bow Collector
You get it in the same dream where you get White Mourning, but it requires a skill check. I don't remember which exact dream and what is the skill check.

[Blackdragon]

Originally posted by Longes:

The Bow Collector
You get it in the same dream where you get White Mourning, but it requires a skill check. I don't remember which exact dream and what is the skill check.

When you're looking at the blue card from the hidden compartment in your old ledger (the one you find in the dumpster near the hanged man).

It's one of the best thoughts in game, +3 Shivers with no downsides.

[CountJac]

If you want more help, I believe r/DiscoElysium on Reddit made a shared spreadsheet of all the thoughts.

[Xander77]

Ok, I think I got a fairly decent handle on things. Still need Jamrock Shuffle (Kim already mentioned this involves opening containers?), Hardcore Aesthetic, and Torque Head (nerding out about cars - encyclopedia check with lorry drivers?)

[Du-Vu]

I think Torque Head is a combination of Encyclopedia and Interfacing to get the most information and trigger those dialogues.

[Xander77]

Ok, published version 0.1:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1894736429