I love X4 but the empire mode is lacking. I've been trying to get into this game

[Hebrux]

Does this game fill the void that the empire mode in X4 leaves open?

[gorgofdoom]

I've 800 hours in avorion and ~4000 in x4. i wouldn't say one is strictly better than the other.

Avorion with friends can be a good empire builder. With friends, arguably better than x4 if simply because humans are smarter than scripted ai can be.

As a singular player it's as tall an order as it is to manage 3000+ ships with many stations in x4 as it is to build and maintain enough stations to run a turret factory here. We could say a turret factory is equivalent to the effort needed for terraforming.

All this said: station made products in avorion not being tied to resources gathered 'in the real world' is a bit offputting, imo. The economy of x4 is relatively seamless in that regard; the player can gather resources and craft nearly everything, ships and whole stations included, except some rare inventory items. In this regard Egosoft earns style points.

[Hebrux]

Thank you, this was the answer I was looking for and you saved me a bunch of time

[danchr4]

It's a great game,n the fact you can design your own ships how you want with very little restrictions has always pulled me back to play it more. Once you get that first captain controlled ship,the game becomes less frustrating imho so u can make some fantastic battleships to fight the enemies.

[Hebrux]

Originally posted by danchr4:

It's a great game,n the fact you can design your own ships how you want with very little restrictions has always pulled me back to play it more. Once you get that first captain controlled ship,the game becomes less frustrating imho so u can make some fantastic battleships to fight the enemies.

+1

[Narn]

Short answer: no

Long answer: The 2.0 update nerfed empire building and reduced it down to the most simple elements. Its was not that great but even worse now. I would play X4 before I would play this game if you are looking for empire management.

[Hebrux]

Originally posted by Narn:

Short answer: no

Long answer: The 2.0 update nerfed empire building and reduced it down to the most simple elements. Its was not that great but even worse now. I would play X4 before I would play this game if you are looking for empire management.

That sucks. What I dislike about empire management in X4 is that at the end of the day, you're just a rich pilot. You can't negotiate diplomatically with any of the minor or major factions.

I created a very popular egosoft forumn on this subject:
https://forum.egosoft.com/viewtopic.php?t=463836

[Narn]

Originally posted by Hebrux:

Originally posted by Narn:

Short answer: no

Long answer: The 2.0 update nerfed empire building and reduced it down to the most simple elements. Its was not that great but even worse now. I would play X4 before I would play this game if you are looking for empire management.

That sucks. What I dislike about empire management in X4 is that at the end of the day, you're just a rich pilot. You can't negotiate diplomatically with any of the minor or major factions.

I created a very popular egosoft forumn on this subject:
https://forum.egosoft.com/viewtopic.php?t=463836

Yeah, this is even more stripped down than X4 when it comes to diplomacy.

[Hebrux]

Originally posted by Narn:

Originally posted by Hebrux:

That sucks. What I dislike about empire management in X4 is that at the end of the day, you're just a rich pilot. You can't negotiate diplomatically with any of the minor or major factions.

I created a very popular egosoft forumn on this subject:
https://forum.egosoft.com/viewtopic.php?t=463836

Yeah, this is even more stripped down than X4 when it comes to diplomacy.

Glad to see that it's not what I'm looking for ahead of time before I sink hours into it =), thanks!

[Narn]

Originally posted by Hebrux:

Originally posted by Narn:

Yeah, this is even more stripped down than X4 when it comes to diplomacy.

Glad to see that it's not what I'm looking for ahead of time before I sink hours into it =), thanks!

No problem. If I had known they were going to change the way the whole game works with the 2.0 update I would not have gotten it either.