Pirates are attacking the sector

[Antoine]

Litteraly every 30 sec in any sector loaded by a player. With some alternance of Xotan fleets, and this is an utter pain in the rear. Specially when you're setting up factories and stuff, wich takes ages, and implies staying in the sector for said ages, implying more and more and more and more pirate spam.

Now that the rage part is done, is there any legit workaround this? I've read somewhere that this could be de-activated via console, but we don't want to do that, does destroying their bases close to ours have an effect on this?

[FuryoftheStars]

Nope, these are random events and are not tied to bases. Best you can do is the devs recently allowed energy suppressors to “suppress” these events, but I don’t know if it stops them completely or reduces the chances. Also, energy suppressors have a limited life span. There was a suggestion thread, too, to stop these events from following players around every where. I have a feeling that based on how this game works that this will always be this way. :/

[Theophany]

Watch this for tips about setting up a home sector:
https://youtu.be/SYZN_05B8Mo

This guy has a kind of workaround (dunno if it still works in 1.0 though): a sector basically has only one warp (spawn) location, which is the one where your own ship spawns when you enter the sector.
So the workaround is:
1. build a heavily defended station right on top of the spawn point to aggro and kill AI ships as they warp in
2. build your other stations far away from the spawn point, like 40-50km away to ensure ships only aggro your defend station

Now, maybe spawns don't work like that anymore... If they are random I guess you could surround your stations with defense stations. Or make all your stations "secondary" defense stations.

Anyway, you are probably not supposed to setup a base until middle to late game so you are able to defend it efficiently.

[FuryoftheStars]

Yeah, I think they have multiple spawn points, now.

[Antoine]

I don't think that is still really effective, thing is there is a whole lot of defenses, the most of my fleet in defensive stance plus defensive structures with fighters and long range guns...

We're at Xanion since a few days, we've settled our industry base near the barrier, you don't really have the cash to settle early game anyways...

They seem to spawn from 2-3 locations, not sure if it's random or not but there is at least 2 spawns i'd say, one pirates and one Xsotan

I'm not really worried about my stuff there, this is not a defensive capability problem, they get wiped pretty quick, and won't get through 2mil hull battleship, the thing is I can't expand my industries without being harrassed constantly, and my sector turned into a hazard zone, thus getting income away just for the sake of me being in that sector building or organizing the fleet, wich is utter bs... Cause if I was away exploring or stuff nothing would happen, wich is ridiculous at a point I have difficulties finding polite words about it.

I would have been totaly ok with that if there was some logic to this, gameplay wise, like they raiding cause they have bases nearby, thus wiping them allowing us some quiet, but this smelled so much like sh*tty rng..

Guess even such an epic game has to have at least some stupid extremely annoying element to it...

Ah, also, the Xsotan warping in are neutral to me, even though we're killing them since the very beginning and been at war with them for the duration of our game, both in personal relation with every player and our faction, so they can quietly attack my stations without triggering the fleet or the fighters unless I fire in their general direction, no one reacts.

Funnily enough every single alt+tab I made typing this got me into another warp of ennemies, there is no 5min of calm, wich considering the quite clumsyness of the interface regarding building/crewing/factory/transfer etc.. setup something without at least 4 - 5 attacks is impossible.

Not game breaking sure, but really nuts breaking for sure. Also bs regarding the overall quality of this game

Is this still a thing inside the barrier? Less a problem when they get os i guess

[FuryoftheStars]

Yeah, inside and out it doesn’t matter much. I think there are more Xsotan and less pirates inside? But still rng event spawns. Also, the event spawns seem to be on a per player basis, so if you’re doing MP and have multiple people in the same sector, it’ll trigger events more frequently.

Xsotan neutral: if you get some independent targeting long range weapons and set them to autofire, they’ll ignore the neutral status, thus triggering them hostile faster for the rest of your patrol fleet to react to.

[Antiga]

I have to agree. While in the simple process of refitting a couple of mining ships, pirates attacked the sector several times. The first time I was busy assigning crew, and was able to send 1 ship away as it had a captain. The other 3 got pummeled while I started chasing pirates. One of them got destroyed, as it just sat there helpless. The effort and time it would have taken to get a captain over would likely have ended in another one being destroyed.

What can I say, the fact that nothing is made even the slightest bit simple for the player, causes situations like this to be extra frustrating. The more I think about it, the more unwieldy the game feels. Literally everything is made more difficult than one would expect. From docking to ship building. From boarding to assigning crew. Even weapons with their slots and tech levels don't show the most relevant info - mods are required to get better, more important, even more ACCURATE stats. As the default DPS stat is complete ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, it doesn't take cooldown or accuracy into effect. And for that matter, 98%+ accuracy weapons do tend to miss an EXTREMELY high amount. And indeed, they often just make little sense, with a lower tech lower material weapon doing more dps/slot even if it's the exact same weapon type, due to RNJesus being the one and only important factor.

The game starts off fun enough. After a while you start figuring out the exact mechanics which is just mild disappointment after mild disappointment. Nothing is ever really satisfying. The combat while proper, isn't satisfying. For example, something as basic as tracers aren't available. This makes combat a crapshoot, unless you use only 1 weapon type. Soon as you combine bolters and tesla, you're just aiming for lulz. Especially don't think of putting cannons and railguns. Again, unless you go 1 weapon type. Which no one does considering the Diablo style loot.

The game is too complex for it's own good. At the same time, there isn't much depth to it. Production chains are well worked out, that's probably about the deepest thing the game has to offer - and it's completely optional as well as a massive chore to get involved with.

[Theophany]

About hazard zone, there is a mod to make them less annoying.
Amongst other things, hazard "score" only increases if units of the faction controlling the sector are destroyed. So you can blow up as many baddies as you want without turning your home into a hazard zone.
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1997069970

[Antoine]

K, hazard happens when I lose fighters .. Buffed them, not really happening anymore. For the sake of science, I mesured with a timer, and a attack is spawning on you every 5 - 6 min. Now I try picturing myself playing any other game in the world where a group of ennemys spawn on your character every five min.. And wonder what would people say about such a "mechanic"

Isn't a turret ignoring neutral gonna shoot in the face of every customer entering my zone? Also, I find that the fleet performs better in "Attack ennemys" then loop than patrol, that way they stay where they are and run on them when they warp, instead of being scrubbing their noses 80km away in patrol

Is this whole neutral Xsotan thing known? Their relations resets somehow, seemingly only with alliance, we nearly lost a 51mil station to this sh*t yesterday

[FuryoftheStars]

Originally posted by Antoine:

Isn't a turret ignoring neutral gonna shoot in the face of every customer entering my zone?

No, this only applies to Xsotan.

Originally posted by Antoine:

Is this whole neutral Xsotan thing known? Their relations resets somehow, seemingly only with alliance, we nearly lost a 51mil station to this sh*t yesterday

Yes, this is the way Xsotan work. You can't declare war with them and every new group is neutral to start. And this happens to Alliances and the players themselves alike.

[Antoine]

So if I get it correctly: They're supposed to be the ennemy of the game but every group of them is neutral to the player, even if they fire on something owned by the player they stay neutral, do they have to actually destroy something to trigger a response? Wich will be then ignored when the next group is gonna spawn in ( every 5min) wich is going to attack,stations and fleet will kindly let them destroy stuff without doing anything + Shift loop? And you call that working?

I guess i'll get used to it, but makes me wonder do the devs actually tried a no cheats from start to finish campaign in their game...

[FuryoftheStars]

I wouldn't call it "working", just that is how they work.

[Zornvel]

Maybe you should look at it from a more philosophical point, maybe the Xsotan don't start a war against this universe. They simply don't care there are here to get something, like a hunter is going into the woods to kill a bear, maybe the bear kills him but he is not at war with the bear.
It's maybe their view of the world, we are not the enemy, maybe just prey, maybe a resource.

[FuryoftheStars]

Originally posted by Zornvel:

Maybe you should look at it from a more philosophical point, maybe the Xsotan don't start a war against this universe. They simply don't care there are here to get something, like a hunter is going into the woods to kill a bear, maybe the bear kills him but he is not at war with the bear.
It's maybe their view of the world, we are not the enemy, maybe just prey, maybe a resource.

But we should be able to mark them as constantly hostile if we so choose.

[DivineEvil]

Wait, can't you just Declare War on Xsotans either personally and in the name of your Alliance?

[FuryoftheStars]

Originally posted by DivineEvil:

Wait, can't you just Declare War on Xsotans either personally and in the name of your Alliance?

There is the option, but it doesn't seem to do anything.