Production Chain Possible?

[Chiss_Smuggler]

Hello I have started trying to learn what crafting is like in the game.
So started with my favorite weapon, the Railgun!

Found all the components, and then their needed components.. Then components for those components, on and on. Eventually I worked out the whole chain(not counting repeat items and how much is needed of what) and was just shocked at the size it worked out.
Again, this is just for 1 type of weapon...

Railgun*********************************

Servo
Servo Factory (5,659,500 Cr)
Produces: Servo
Requires: Steel, Aluminium, Conductor, Plastic

Steel
Steel Factory Type 1 (6,924,000 Cr)
Produces: Steel
Requires: Scrap Metal, Coal

Copper
Copper Mine (10.875)
Produces: Copper

Gauss Rail
Gauss Rail Factory (22,111,500 Cr)
Produces: Gauss Rail
Requires: Energy Cell, Electro Magnet, Energy Tube, High Pressure Tube, Transformator

EM Charge
Electromagnetic Charge Factory (35,049,000 Cr)
Produces: Electromagnetic Charge
Requires: Energy Container, Elector Magnet, Energy Tube, Transformator

E magnet
Electro Magnet Factory (5,101,500 Cr)
Produces: Electro Magnet
Requires: Steel, Copper, Conductor, Transformator

H pressure Tubes
High Pressure Tube Factory (8,089,000 Cr)
Produces High Pressure Tube
Requires: Steel, Aluminium, Carbon, Adhesive, Steel

Secondary*********************************
Aluminium(Aluminium Mine),
Conductor(Conductor Factory: Zinc, Platinum, Gold),
Plastic(Plastic Manufacturer: Oil, Energy Cell),
Energy Cell(Solar Power Plant),
Energy Container(Energy Container Factory: Energy Cell, Transformator),
Energy Tube(Energy Tube Factory: Plastic, Steel, Platinum, Neon, Steel, Energy Cell),
Transformator(Transformator Factory: Steel, Plastic, Silicium, Silver, Energy Cell),
Adhesive(Chemicals Factory: Water, Nitrogen, Hydrogen, Oxygen, Bio Gas, Carbon, Energy Cell),
Scrap Metal(Scrap Metal Trader)

Terciary**********************************
Zinc(Zinc Mine),
Platinum(Noble Metal Mine type 2),
Gold(Noble Metal Mine type 2),
Raw Oil(Oil Rig)
Silicium(Silicium Mine),
Silver(Noble Metal Mine type 2),
Plastic(Plastic Manufacturer: Oil, Energy Cell),
Neon(Gas Collector),
Oil(Oil Refinery: Energy Cell, Raw Oil),
Water(Water Collector),
Nitrogen(Gas Collector),
Hydrogen(Gas Collector),
Oxygen(Gas Collector),
Bio Gas(Cattle Ranch),
Carbon(Carbon Extractor Type 2),
Wheat(Wheat Farm)

HOLY CRAP!!!! IF I can get that all in the right amounts... Then i can work on building the turret factory...

Is a production chain actually this insane?
And have not even looked up how everything gets transported around.

[Chiss_Smuggler]

Addon
So I worked this out to all the facilities, though the number of each is beyond me as many things require the same components, like E Cells or such)

1 Turret Factory(Components and resources not added below)
?# Servo Factory
?# Steel Factory Type 1
?# Copper Mine
?# Gauss Rail Factory
?# Electromagnetic Charge Factory
?# Electro Magnet Factory
?# High Pressure Tube Factory
?# Aluminium Mine
?# Conductor Factory
?# Plastic Manufacturer
?# Solar Power Plant
?# Energy Container Factory
?# Energy Tube Factory
?# Transformator Factory
?# Chemicals Factory
?# Scrap Metal Trader
?# Zinc Mine
?# Noble Metal Mine type 1
?# Noble Metal Mine type 2
?# Oil Rig
?# Silicium Mine
?# Plastic Manufacturer
?# Gas Collector
?# Water Collector
?# Cattle Ranch
?# Carbon Extractor Type 2
?# Wheat Farm

[Mordgier]

Possible - but not really viable or profitable as far as I can tell at this stage.

There isn't really a way to tie it all together with automation like you could in X3.

Anyway what you're looking for is this:
http://svgshare.com/i/eS.svg


Until you can get a personal fleet of cargo ships to keep your stations supplied like you can in X3, it's not really worth the hassle imo.

There are far far easier ways to make money and Avorion industry implementation is half-baked at this stage.

[Chiss_Smuggler]

Ok thank you, I was hopping I somehow had it wrong.
VASTLY easier to set up a fleet including a mass cargo hauler, raid NPC cargo, collect, sell, then just buy components.
Sad. Thanks again.

[Mordgier]

Game desperately needs what X3 had, the ability to set desired stock levels at a station and assign cargo ships to tend to the stations supply levels, be it good distribution or acquisition.

Otherwise it's micromanagement hell and the millions you invest into the industry is just not likely to ever be recouped before you get sick of it.

[alphasped]

There's a secondary issue aside from the time it takes for a profit, at this stage the game does not offer the player a means to produce raw oil or coal, which are necessary ingredients in the production chain (tier 2?).

You would be dependant on NPC traders or planetary trading posts, iirc.

[Random]

coal and oil are asteroid bases
hmm not sure about raw tho

[nosrepatsuj]

if you have a high tolerance for pain you can set up all this in a sector with an abnormally high number of claimable asteroids(1 for each type of mine) but your talking billions of credits and millions of resources

Logistics if all in one sector isn't that horrible you can give each factory a hangar and some cargo drones that will allow it to pull from three stations and push to 3 stations it gets convoluted and annoying but it is do able i recommend making 1 optimized bp for your mines and 1 for your production plants

I'd recommend making the mines pull double duty as fighter bases as they have the least need for cargo drones plus they are the first stage of your sector roll out

oh and expect lag when in system that is gonna be a insane number of drones going around.

overall this game suffers from the same things x rebirth and x4 suffer from more complex production chains don't make for better game play just more headaches(both for the player and the developer).

Really wish developers would follow the K.I.S.S rule Keep It Simple