Where's the intro cutscene replacement mod?

[AHEM]

Why the ♥♥♥♥ haven't these berseria modders replaced the censored cutscene yet? What's the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ hold up? Nobody cares about fixed shadows, 21:9 support, etc... This is the most important mod. It should be prioritized. Somebody finish it so I can finally buy this game.

[Winged One]

Originally posted by FeaR_TH3_Reap3R:

Originally posted by paugus:

Someone who thinks five seconds of censorship makes you a "second class citizen" probably isn't one you can convince with logic.

Someone who thinks five seconds of censorship makes you a "second class citizen" probably is a douchbag white kid who wouldn't survive five seconds in a real oppressive environment without crying for a safe space

while I don't agree with the way you said it.. yeah, if a person thinks localization edits make them a "second class citizen" they probably aren'y aware of the actual struggles "second class citizens" would go through

[MancSoulja]

Originally posted by Fenrir007:

Originally posted by paugus:

I've gotta say, people claiming to stand on principles over this are picking a silly hill to die on. Really, THIS is where the battle-lines in your crusade against censorship are? Not in news media, on college campuses, or in everyday life. In a video game. For ten seconds. Where the kid still gets plainly impaled and hurled down a pit. Not graphic enough? You wanted to feel the 'intimacy' of him being killed with a sword?

Are you sure you're really fighting censorship, or are you just mad they won't give you full-on child-death carnage? I can't understand how people take themselves so seriously while ranting about how they refuse to buy a video game... on that video game's steam forum.

First, they go after our ability to see fictional anime kids get impaled as human sacrifices (well okay, so we still saw him impaled as a human sacrifice, but.. it wasn't what we WANTED!). Next, we'll be in CHAINS! This is the beginning of the end of free speech. *gnashing of teeth, wailings and lamentations, etc etc*

Why do you assume we only care about videogames and not about all those other issues?

Do you understand that Steam is a GAME STORE, so people will naturally talk about GAME RELATED STUFF in its forums...?

Honestly, if you wanna be treated like a second class citizen, whatever, it's your money and prerrogative. But some of us don't like that very much. Personally, I'm not going to fully boycott it, probably, but I will wait for a 66% off or more before getting it. That's what I think a censored game is worth.

You don't even know what censorship is kid, you're crying over something that isn't even censorship.

[Tregarde]

Honestly, this is one case where the 'censoring' really doesn't bother me. I can understand why some people would not like the original scene. Some people find violence against children distasteful. The scene didn't bother me, I know it's fiction, but I can understand why others wouldn't like it.

So we got this altered scene which... to be honest, I think is more dramatic. We get the flashy spell, it's clearly a part of a ritual, and the kid still dies from being pierced - only he's pierced by some mystic bolts or something.

The original was... stab, lift over pit, then slide off blade. The original was more shocking, but the altered was more dramatic.

Apples and oranges. It really doesn't change the story one bit. No content was cut. I'm just having fun playing the game.

[LemonRush7777]

Originally posted by paugus:

Originally posted by Keytee Tamira:

They censored 1% of the game.
And you demand 34% off?

Someone who thinks five seconds of censorship makes you a "second class citizen" probably isn't one you can convince with logic. Same reason none of them can make the distinction that this censorship was done for business and not moral reasons. It's easy to conflate the two when the word "censored" terrifies you and conjures up Orwellian visions of a dystopic future.

And to answer your questions in order Fenrir:
1. Because that's what we're talking about here. If you cared about actually important censorship issues, you probably wouldn't waste your time here, doing absolutely nothing about it.
2. WHAT!? NO WAY. Maybe a game store is a dumb place to try to take a stand against censorship. Do you go into a McDonalds and protest factory farms? Didn't think so.
3. It wasn't a question, but your bit about "i'm not going to fully boycott" made me laugh, so thanks for that. Well, enjoy your multi-year wait 'til you can play this game I guess. Doesn't hurt anyone (except you) in any noticable way.

1. "If you cared about actually important censorship issues, you probably wouldn't waste your time here" There is no logic in what you are saying. I also oppose higher graded censorship than this. Really, what is your point? Do you even have any? Just because I care about X doesn't mean I don't care or do anything about Y, even if Y is perceived to be a bigger issue. Besides, making a post a week here is not eating too much of my time.

2. "Maybe a game store is a dumb place to try to take a stand against censorship." You think so? Steam had banned Hatred from being sold here because of a rabid minority being offended by a game they never expected to play. People fought back, and Gabe himself allowed the game to be sold here, and then it was a sales success. So I'd say it is hardly dumb - especially when the people who wish to see it banned want it banned from being sold anywhere, ever.

3. The point is that I will pay for it what I feel the game is worth, and a censored game is worth very little to me. Some will do the same as I do, while others will not buy it altogether - or maybe they will buy it used, which is something I may end up doing. When multiple people start doing it, it gets noticeable. Now, the bigger impact is not on Bamco themselves, but on the companies that don't censor stuff that end up getting this surplus money we end up saving on Tales titles.

As for waiting, I don't mind. I have so many games on my backlog I hardly need to buy something on release nowadays. I only purchase games on release if I wish to reward a developer, like when they release an uncensored title here.

[Keytee Tamira]

Originally posted by Fenrir007:

As for waiting, I don't mind. I have so many games on my backlog I hardly need to buy something on release nowadays. I only purchase games on release if I wish to reward a developer, like when they release an uncensored title here.

Oh? So you don't want to reward the developer? What about script-writer, sound designer, graphic designer, localizator and many others?

Developer is not a single man. And is not a party of similar people.
DIFFERENT people work on the game.

And yet, just because you hate the censorship, you will not reward developers who have no connections to the censhorship?

It's like you will not give a reward to a group of kids who picked a flower each to gift to you, you will not reward them just because one kid decided to use paper flower.
That's just egoistic nitpicking.


Please, don't be afraid to admit that you're justifying your nitpicking.
It's okay. We all have bad sides.

[LemonRush7777]

Originally posted by Keytee Tamira:

Originally posted by Fenrir007:

As for waiting, I don't mind. I have so many games on my backlog I hardly need to buy something on release nowadays. I only purchase games on release if I wish to reward a developer, like when they release an uncensored title here.

Oh? So you don't want to reward the developer? What about script-writer, sound designer, graphic designer, localizator and many others?

Developer is not a single man. And is not a party of similar people.
DIFFERENT people work on the game.

And yet, just because you hate the censorship, you will not reward developers who have no connections to the censhorship?

It's like you will not give a reward to a group of kids who picked a flower each to gift to you, you will not reward them just because one kid decided to use paper flower.
That's just egoistic nitpicking.


Please, don't be afraid to admit that you're justifying your nitpicking.
It's okay. We all have bad sides.

I will reward the developers the way I see fit. If I believe the product is worth 75% off, then that is what I will pay for it - and if that happens to be in an used game shop, then so be it. Developers are not entitled to my hard earned money. If they want that, they need to provide a product I actually want to pay the full price.

A good example is Platinum. I just paid for my copy of Vanquish here. They are devs I'm glad to fully support.

"And yet, just because you hate the censorship, you will not reward developers who have no connections to the censhorship?"

I don't think you understand. I pay for the end product, so I evaluate the end product. I am not a charity, I actually work for my money. I cannot allocate how much of my money goes toward the devs, publishers etc. Besides, the developers have already been paid in full for their work on this game, so your point is moot.

"It's like you will not give a reward to a group of kids who picked a flower each to gift to you, you will not reward them just because one kid decided to use paper flower."

More like they picked up half dead flowers and expected me to pay the full price of a proper bouquet. This is a more apt description to what is happening here.

[Keytee Tamira]

Originally posted by Fenrir007:

Developers are not entitled to my hard earned money.

OHHH! So Developers haven't worked hard enough to earn money?

Developers worked hard to make this game. But just because of publishers and their censorship, you decide to not pay?

Listen up, KID. Developers work is way more harder than your kindergarten job.

Originally posted by Fenrir007:

More like they picked up half dead flowers and expected me to pay the full price of a proper bouquet. This is a more apt description to what is happening here.

Half dead? Don't you think you're going too far, kid?

ONLY thing that was censored was ONE scene. Just because 1% of the game was replaced, you decide not to pay full price?

Even though the game is awesome? You decide not to play A GOOD game just because of one scene?





Why you just can't admit that you're just nitpicking? I will not blame you. We all have bad sides.
Just admit that you acted wrong here, NOBODY WILL BLAME YOU.

Why the hell it's so hard for people to admit their wrongdoings?

[paugus]

Originally posted by Keytee Tamira:

Just admit that you acted wrong here

Hate to play devil's advocate, but no one acted wrongly. He's got every right to refuse to buy something for whatever reason, and I've got the right to voice my opinion that his reasons are ridiculous and naive. At this point you should probably just agree to disagree, I doubt you're gonna change his mind.

[Reaper]

Originally posted by paugus:

Originally posted by Keytee Tamira:

Just admit that you acted wrong here

Hate to play devil's advocate, but no one acted wrongly. He's got every right to refuse to buy something for whatever reason, and I've got the right to voice my opinion that his reasons are ridiculous and naive. At this point you should probably just agree to disagree, I doubt you're gonna change his mind.

Actually, he did act wrong. Fenrir is acting like an entitled douchbag. The real life equivalent of this would be going into walmart and standing by the door and whining to every person that comes in that you hate the store for 1 issue that wouldn't affect 99% of people.

[LemonRush7777]

Originally posted by FeaR_TH3_Reap3R:

Originally posted by paugus:

Hate to play devil's advocate, but no one acted wrongly. He's got every right to refuse to buy something for whatever reason, and I've got the right to voice my opinion that his reasons are ridiculous and naive. At this point you should probably just agree to disagree, I doubt you're gonna change his mind.

Actually, he did act wrong. Fenrir is acting like an entitled douchbag. The real life equivalent of this would be going into walmart and standing by the door and whining to every person that comes in that you hate the store for 1 issue that wouldn't affect 99% of people.

Unlike Walmart, Steam is an open forum where people can talk about whatever game issues they want to talk about. Let us not forget that I am not "standing" in any door here - you willingly walked into a topic that talks about a possible intro replacement mod that devolved into a discussion about the importance of such a thing, and you willingly continue engaging here. So no, there is no equivalence to what you described.

As for you, Keytee, I won't dignify you with an answer. Going in circles is something I have no intention of doing - at least not with a terrible dance partner like you.

[GalacticPimpWithaLimp]

Originally posted by I lost count:

I honestly don't give a ♥♥♥♥ how its rendered - someone should just figure it out and replace it. Disassemble the Japanese version or something.

Go right a head. get off your ass and figure it out.

[Kaldaien]

Yeah, lol.

YOU go buy a license for the Japanese version, then buy a license for the US version and then import the content. That's an expense that no sane person is going to pay. I waste insane amounts of time helping the community, but I draw the line at insane wastes of money.

[NekoNinja]

So, I guess this is a censored cutscene that includes some kind of "half nudity" of sorts? If so then isn't there enough stuff on the internet that can satisfy those needs? Hell you could probably find some doujin somewhere.

[Winged One]

Originally posted by NekoNinjaWarrior:

So, I guess this is a censored cutscene that includes some kind of "half nudity" of sorts? If so then isn't there enough stuff on the internet that can satisfy those needs? Hell you could probably find some doujin somewhere.

no, the "censored" scene was originally a kid getting kill via being stabbed while he was being ritualisticly sacrificed.. they changed it to being killed by a spell that had him impaled by two magical blades


comparison:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Zw2oVRr3Ms

[NekoNinja]

Well neither of them are really pretty but it doesn't really need censoring...

EDIT: Why would this stop you playing a game? Thats the most ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ i've ever heard. If you love seeing children get stabbed then I won't complain.