Why do Mod Authors insist on hosting their stuff on Discord -_-

[MonkeyMummyMoney]

It's just not made for anything like that. It's pain trying to track down servers, Using someone's name is even less helpful and when you finally do find the right server it's the most awkward thing possible.

They don't want to use Nexus, that's fine. But I genuinely don't understand how they could look at Discord of all things and think "This is perfect for modding".

Modb exists, AFK Mods Exists, Gumroad Exists (Not leaps and bounds better then Discord, but it is an alternative albeit only a slightly better one) Curse Forge Exists, TES Alliance exists, Bethesda.Net exists.

These are just a few examples of modding sites that exist, aren't Nexus and are far better for hosting mods then Discord.

When I look for a mod, find out it's on a Discord that scene from the office where Micheal screams "I'm going to kill myself" plays in my head. I hate it that much, Most of the time it's a hard no for me because I don't want to spend forever finding a link that hasn't expired just to sit forever and sift through a text-log that wasn't made for what they are trying to make it do.

I'm not a big fan of Discord in general, but I would imagine if all you are doing is communicating with your mod team it's does that just fine... Email probably is even better and more secure, but Discord is a zoomer thing I guess and I've given up entirely on seeing the point. I'm too old to get it and don't care enough to want to learn how to use it. But I digress, I'm just wondering if people are trying to use Discord for something it wasn't made to do for a reason?

Is there some sort of prima donna, Drag-Queen level Drama going on and that's why no one wants to use any of these other sites?

To the mod authors that have their own, proper sites *Blows Kiss* THANK YOU I'd rather not get files from sites I don't entirely trust, but I'd rather take a few extra seconds scanning everything with TotalVirus then spend what can feel like forever hunting after dead-links and expired invites only to have to scroll through pages of what feels like (And sometimes even looks like) someone's chat logs that I just randomly stumbled onto.

[kdodds]

Definitely can't say I disagree. Let the mod authors do what they will. Let them move off Nexus. Totally fine and cool. If I happen to think this is a somewhat childish response to a product that can never have any value, so be that as well. I, personally, won't use "packs" or "collections". Ever. Too much that can go wrong, and a lesson learned a very, very long time ago with MW and Gothic 3. I am a creator, though not of mods. I am a paid author. And I have written for free. I do not expect full control of my freely distributed, free works.

[MonkeyMummyMoney]

Originally posted by Lazarus =8=:

Gawd damned. I have never seen a bunch of entitled asshats anywhere besides the Cyberpunk forums.

If any of you actually created anything and then had someone else make it part of a collection or have your control over your IP removed and then ask for money for it without giving you credit and your due you would understand their reasons.

Nexus was a decent site but I won't condone their practice or ever become premium (not that I would have) for their ♥♥♥♥♥♥ practice.

The: Whaaaa, my mods don't work, tempertantrum is a bit over the top.

Mods are not an integral part of the base game and your entitlement to other's work is below 0.

If you are miffed that you paid Nexus to be a premium member for a faster download, then I'm sure you now realise your error:
Paying for a mod site is as iffy as paying for a game trainer website access.

Live and learn.

No one is saying they have no right to leave nexus, we're just saying posting their stuff on discord is possibly the worst choice. It LITERALLY is not designed for what they are trying to use it for. At the very least that was what I was getting at. They want to leave, leave. Just make sure your files are posted somewhere that is actually easy to get to and doesn't make me want to pull my teeth out trying to use it. (As a Ginger that's a very strong statement to make. A minor toothache for us can feel like the most intense pain you could possibly go through.) Trying to hunt down mods that aren't on a central platform usually ends with me popping 3-4 asprin due to the sheer frustration.

Realistically if you call us Entitled then you had to the mod authors leaving as well. It's a two way street.

[MonkeyMummyMoney]

Originally posted by kdodds:

Definitely can't say I disagree. Let the mod authors do what they will. Let them move off Nexus. Totally fine and cool. If I happen to think this is a somewhat childish response to a product that can never have any value, so be that as well. I, personally, won't use "packs" or "collections". Ever. Too much that can go wrong, and a lesson learned a very, very long time ago with MW and Gothic 3. I am a creator, though not of mods. I am a paid author. And I have written for free. I do not expect full control of my freely distributed, free works.

I were a mod author I'd just leave Nexus to sort out the mod-pack mess. I feel like the more times Mod authors update their Mods, the more complicated it would make things for Nexus themselves. So long as I don't get tons of comments from people asking me to make my mod work with another mod I've possibly never heard of because it just happens to be in the same mod-pack, I wouldn't care.

But at the same I also wouldn't leave Nexus all together. I'd just make a post on all my mods telling them that I'm leaving for another site and wont be using Nexus with links to whatever site I plan on using to replace Nexus.

They can still use the mod, it's just the nexus version wont get any future updates or support for it.

Which is actually a thing some Mod Authors have done. Sadly not as many as their should be. Some of them, too many of them, are pulling everything and giving no word on where they are moving to, leaving you in the dark. Could not imagine a better way to piss all over the fans you have built up.

JoeyR For example, I only know his mods are hosted on Discord because I had to go out of my way to hunt down reddit posts where someone said he went there, they provided links to invites that are now expired and that is where I gave up.

Again, my issue right now is Discord specifically. It just such a horrible format for this. It just seems counter-productive in a lot of ways to host there.

[=EGC= kansasterry]

Originally posted by Lazarus =8=:

If any of you actually created anything and then had someone else make it part of a collection or have your control over your IP removed and then ask for money for it without giving you credit and your due you would understand their reasons.

And this is the misinformation as the collection CONTAINS NONE OF THE MODS FILES it has the mod managers sorting files and a LIST OF LINKS back to the actual mods site.

Paid members simply get to download FASTER than unpaid members that has always been the case with all their mods they are not being paid for other peoples content.

What they may have discussed in closed doors has no connection to the PUBLIC announcement concerning how the collection system works.

https://www.nexusmods.com/news/14538

And yes I have 33 mods across three games on nexus some of them I spent over two years creating I see nothing in the announcement stating they were going to be selling the FREE mods I created or taking any property rights from me concerning them.

All they stated was I would no longer be able to delete a mod thus breaking a collection that might include the mod.

There are literally hundreds of mods that require another master mod that are broken and unusable still on nexus because a mod author deleted the resource they created for others to build upon sometime after they created the mods relying on that resource thus they decided to do the archive where only the collection can find the mod if the author decides to delete it so the collection would not be broken.

And yes at least one mod author stated the fact they could not control what other mods might be in the collection with theirs as their reason for pulling them from nexus. As if the fact they are simplifying the load order process with the collection system is taking away some idea of control over what others already manually install along with their mod.

[MonkeyMummyMoney]

Originally posted by Lazarus =8=:

If you are miffed that you paid Nexus to be a premium member for a faster download, then I'm sure you now realise your error:
Paying for a mod site is as iffy as paying for a game trainer website access.

Live and learn.

It's also iffy to ever support a mod author again if they can just ♥♥♥♥ their diapers, pull everything and run away the most awkward way possible. Again, it's a two way street. Both groups are wrong.

Both are acting entitled and both have gone about doing things the wrong way. More so the Authors because they are the ones that need the eyeballs, not the other way around. If they didn't want people to enjoy their mods, they would of never made them public.

I see no reason to get upset over Premium, I'd imagine Mod Sanctum will have the same thing. Hosting gigs upon gigs, upon gigs of files and having a staff to weed out the malicious mods aint cheap. They'll either have Preimum, Ads or both and honestly if the ads are formatted well I might just leave the site white-listed with my adblocker. No one likes ads, but they are needed.

So long as they aren't badly formatted ads that lag the site, take up space or act like Malware that basically force you to click on it I don't care. And Auto-play ads, they can go ♥♥♥♥ themselves.

Oh, and those 1 hour long ads that Youtube sometimes like to use. They can go to hell too. Who is going to sit through an hour long ad for a five min video? No one, no one is going to.

[trey]

discord isn't the best but it definitely isn't the worst. the way i see it discord is free, the mod authors made the mods available for free so if they want to use discord i'm 100% okay with that. sometimes it takes 5-10 to find the mod on discord but it's a....small price to pay for a free mod

[Lazarus {FATE}]

Originally posted by =EGC= kansasterry:

Originally posted by Lazarus =8=:

If any of you actually created anything and then had someone else make it part of a collection or have your control over your IP removed and then ask for money for it without giving you credit and your due you would understand their reasons.

And this is the misinformation as the collection CONTAINS NONE OF THE MODS FILES it has the mod managers sorting files and a LIST OF LINKS back to the actual mods site.

Paid members simply get to download FASTER than unpaid members that has always been the case with all their mods they are not being paid for other peoples content.

What they may have discussed in closed doors has no connection to the PUBLIC announcement concerning how the collection system works.

https://www.nexusmods.com/news/14538

And yes I have 33 mods across three games on nexus some of them I spent over two years creating I see nothing in the announcement stating they were going to be selling the FREE mods I created or taking any property rights from me concerning them.

All they stated was I would no longer be able to delete a mod thus breaking a collection that might include the mod.

There are literally hundreds of mods that require another master mod that are broken and unusable still on nexus because a mod author deleted the resource they created for others to build upon sometime after they created the mods relying on that resource thus they decided to do the archive where only the collection can find the mod if the author decides to delete it so the collection would not be broken.

And yes at least one mod author stated the fact they could not control what other mods might be in the collection with theirs as their reason for pulling them from nexus. As if the fact they are simplifying the load order process with the collection system is taking away some idea of control over what others already manually install along with their mod.

Mod authors could not remove their mods because it would still be available through collections thus having no control over their content basically losing your property rights.

Who knew mods can break and/or be removed at anytime? It happens.

I've had master mods be removed before but I don't think I'm entitled to the free mods I use forever.

If you feel that being unable to delete something you made available for free is ok by you then that is fine and you are allowed.
Apparently some people don't and I personally agree with them.

Originally posted by Vaniity Velvet:

Originally posted by Lazarus =8=:

Gawd damned. I have never seen a bunch of entitled asshats anywhere besides the Cyberpunk forums.

If any of you actually created anything and then had someone else make it part of a collection or have your control over your IP removed and then ask for money for it without giving you credit and your due you would understand their reasons.

Nexus was a decent site but I won't condone their practice or ever become premium (not that I would have) for their ♥♥♥♥♥♥ practice.

The: Whaaaa, my mods don't work, tempertantrum is a bit over the top.

Mods are not an integral part of the base game and your entitlement to other's work is below 0.

If you are miffed that you paid Nexus to be a premium member for a faster download, then I'm sure you now realise your error:
Paying for a mod site is as iffy as paying for a game trainer website access.

Live and learn.

No one is saying they have no right to leave nexus, we're just saying posting their stuff on discord is possibly the worst choice. It LITERALLY is not designed for what they are trying to use it for. At the very least that was what I was getting at. They want to leave, leave. Just make sure your files are posted somewhere that is actually easy to get to and doesn't make me want to pull my teeth out trying to use it. (As a Ginger that's a very strong statement to make. A minor toothache for us can feel like the most intense pain you could possibly go through.) Trying to hunt down mods that aren't on a central platform usually ends with me popping 3-4 asprin due to the sheer frustration.

Realistically if you call us Entitled then you had to the mod authors leaving as well. It's a two way street.

I think discord sucks for mods as well but the issue is Nexus itself, and we wouldn't be in this situation if it were not for them.

I have mods I can't update anymore but I do have backups of most of the mods I use, so if one disappears I usually have the backup. Mods being removed by the owners does happen and it is a pita in any game. I don't feel entitled towards any mod I use though.

I've had IP projects "borrowed" before. Not fun, I can imagine modders being pissed about collections.
Mods and modders will be back somewhere stable eventually, just be patient.

As a side note: I think the modders are entitled but entitled to do what they want with their IP projects unless you paid directly for the mod to the author, in which case it should be available somewhere

All in all it is a piss poor situation that will eventually be resolved.

[Lazarus {FATE}]

Originally posted by Vaniity Velvet:

Originally posted by Lazarus =8=:

If you are miffed that you paid Nexus to be a premium member for a faster download, then I'm sure you now realise your error:
Paying for a mod site is as iffy as paying for a game trainer website access.

Live and learn.

It's also iffy to ever support a mod author again if they can just ♥♥♥♥ their diapers, pull everything and run away the most awkward way possible. Again, it's a two way street. Both groups are wrong.

Both are acting entitled and both have gone about doing things the wrong way. More so the Authors because they are the ones that need the eyeballs, not the other way around. If they didn't want people to enjoy their mods, they would of never made them public.

I see no reason to get upset over Premium, I'd imagine Mod Sanctum will have the same thing. Hosting gigs upon gigs, upon gigs of files and having a staff to weed out the malicious mods aint cheap. They'll either have Preimum, Ads or both and honestly if the ads are formatted well I might just leave the site white-listed with my adblocker. No one likes ads, but they are needed.

So long as they aren't badly formatted ads that lag the site, take up space or act like Malware that basically force you to click on it I don't care. And Auto-play ads, they can go ♥♥♥♥ themselves.

Oh, and those 1 hour long ads that Youtube sometimes like to use. They can go to hell too. Who is going to sit through an hour long ad for a five min video? No one, no one is going to.

Not upset over premium at all, I let the ads they show me be my contribution and live with slower dl speed. I Just miffed at collections, and they reaction it caused.

Modders definitely want to showcase their talent with their mods for sure. That does not mean we are entitled to it in any way.

The situation does suck but there is nothing we can do about it. Everyone's in the same boat.

[=EGC= kansasterry]

Originally posted by Lazarus =8=:

Originally posted by =EGC= kansasterry:

And this is the misinformation as the collection CONTAINS NONE OF THE MODS FILES it has the mod managers sorting files and a LIST OF LINKS back to the actual mods site.

Paid members simply get to download FASTER than unpaid members that has always been the case with all their mods they are not being paid for other peoples content.

What they may have discussed in closed doors has no connection to the PUBLIC announcement concerning how the collection system works.

https://www.nexusmods.com/news/14538

And yes I have 33 mods across three games on nexus some of them I spent over two years creating I see nothing in the announcement stating they were going to be selling the FREE mods I created or taking any property rights from me concerning them.

All they stated was I would no longer be able to delete a mod thus breaking a collection that might include the mod.

There are literally hundreds of mods that require another master mod that are broken and unusable still on nexus because a mod author deleted the resource they created for others to build upon sometime after they created the mods relying on that resource thus they decided to do the archive where only the collection can find the mod if the author decides to delete it so the collection would not be broken.

And yes at least one mod author stated the fact they could not control what other mods might be in the collection with theirs as their reason for pulling them from nexus. As if the fact they are simplifying the load order process with the collection system is taking away some idea of control over what others already manually install along with their mod.

Mod authors could not remove their mods because it would still be available through collections thus having no control over their content basically losing your property rights.

Who knew mods can break and/or be removed at anytime? It happens.

I've had master mods be removed before but I don't think I'm entitled to the free mods I use forever.

If you feel that being unable to delete something you made available for free is ok by you then that is fine and you are allowed.
Apparently some people don't and I personally agree with them.

My only issue was that many quoted misinformation or the belief they had some right to control what mods are used along with theirs in the game as their excuse for leaving nexus after the announcement.

I agree if they did not want them to always be available through an archived link only accessible through the collection page they had every right to move to another host or remove them from nexus.

On author literally said they did not want their mod BUNDLED with certain other mods as the reason they left nexus and that if we read the full announcement nothing but the sort order file and a list of links to the mods original page is what was going to happen with collections.

Personally I made the mods I created because I felt they added to the game posting them on nexus to share with anyone who wanted to use them (even included the psc files if some wanted to customize them) and short of nexus imposing some limit to how many I can post at their site I see no reason I would remove any of them.

The mods that were archived and deleted would only be available through the collection.

[Sabaithal]

Most hosting sites don't allow you to host content there for free. Discord I suppose does, but only until this behavior gets to be problematic enough that the people running discord start putting filesize or filetype limits in to prevent this behavior.

[xybolt]

Originally posted by Sabaithal:

Most hosting sites don't allow you to host content there for free. Discord I suppose does, but only until this behavior gets to be problematic enough that the people running discord start putting filesize or filetype limits in to prevent this behavior.

This is what I am foreseeing as well. The OP is correct in his argument that Discord is not designed to host files and share it to multiple people.

That mod authors decide to leave nexus is a choice they have made. But as user =EGC= kansasterry has told, some authors made a decision that aren't so informed. They were probably too focused on the "delete" ability of their own mods. That's something that makes the whole "controversy" just ... sad.

[davidb11]

What the hell happened with the Nexus?
I'm out of the loop.

Can someone explain why people are running around screaming about something the Nexus did?
And why mods have abandoned it?

The worst thing the Nexus did was force your password to be 16 characters.

[kdodds]

Originally posted by davidb11:

What the hell happened with the Nexus?
I'm out of the loop.

Can someone explain why people are running around screaming about something the Nexus did?
And why mods have abandoned it?

The worst thing the Nexus did was force your password to be 16 characters.

Long story short, Nexus is developing "collections". Because deleting a mod that belongs to a collection would potentially break the collection, mods will no longer be delete-able by their authors. Nexus gave mod authors a heads up and time to request outright removal of their mods. Also, they did away with lifetime subscriptions and (don't quote me) I think "collections" were deemed to be subscription only.

Just my 2¢, but a single, unchangeable bit flag for "collectionable" on upload would have solved the issue. Then just a check when building a collection whether the mod can be added or not. That's the strictest form. You could allow !collectionable mods to be added, of course, but would just need to add a disclaimer. You could also add a one way bit flip from !collectionable to collectionable. But, I guess the powers that be wanted an easier way. Period. Done.

[davidb11]

Ah. OKay. Seems a little excessive to start a nuclear war over it, but fair.

Sure, it seems like it could be annoying, on Nexus, but hardly a terrible deal.

[=EGC= kansasterry]

Originally posted by kdodds:

Originally posted by davidb11:

What the hell happened with the Nexus?
I'm out of the loop.

Can someone explain why people are running around screaming about something the Nexus did?
And why mods have abandoned it?

The worst thing the Nexus did was force your password to be 16 characters.

Long story short, Nexus is developing "collections". Because deleting a mod that belongs to a collection would potentially break the collection, mods will no longer be delete-able by their authors. Nexus gave mod authors a heads up and time to request outright removal of their mods. Also, they did away with lifetime subscriptions and (don't quote me) I think "collections" were deemed to be subscription only.

Just my 2¢, but a single, unchangeable bit flag for "collectionable" on upload would have solved the issue. Then just a check when building a collection whether the mod can be added or not. That's the strictest form. You could allow !collectionable mods to be added, of course, but would just need to add a disclaimer. You could also add a one way bit flip from !collectionable to collectionable. But, I guess the powers that be wanted an easier way. Period. Done.

Collections are not subscription only. While those with a subscription can download them faster than free users that has always been the case.

Once again full details of the announcement can be found here

https://www.nexusmods.com/news/14538

The basic points that many seem to have missed right from that announcement.

"How it would work is, using Vortex, someone could build a mod list/mod setup locally on their machine, then export a meta file with all the information about the mods/files/conflict resolution etc. and upload that file to the site. We refer to this list on the site and in Vortex as a "collection". Another user can now add this meta file/this collection from the site to Vortex and Vortex will then fetch all the download links for the mods, download them, and install them in the same way the original user (the “curator” of that mod list) has them installed on their PC - complete with conflict resolution data and all."

"While we allow for some files to be bundled with a collection (this is intended for tool-generated output files like e.g. LOD generated by DynDOLOD for Skyrim), a collection does not “contain” any mods, instead it acts more like a reference list for Vortex to know which file from a mod page it needs to download, what installer options to choose, how to resolve mod conflicts, and how to arrange your load order."

"Are collections a “Premium feature”?

Much like speeding up the download process on our site in general, Premium membership is going to speed up the process of downloading a mod collection. This is because Premium members, through their purchase of membership, are actively contributing to the upkeep of our site be it server costs, 18 employees, a content delivery network (CDN) spanning across the globe, giving back to mod authors via the Donation Points system, insurance, an office in the heart of Exeter, and so on. Therefore, we can and want to offer them the best possible service including added convenience when using the new collections feature, which we believe will help make modding much easier.

That being said, we do not want to and we will not lock this feature off and make it “Premium only”."