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dragavon 2019 年 12 月 25 日 下午 11:11
Dark Citadel Can't Be Completed With Starter Characters
From my experience Backtrack is bugged in this map, starting characters can't stand up against three bosses, and even setting the difficulty down to casual I can't do any better than second place. This can't just be me. The AI makes stupid decisions to attack Mio when they are 100% guaranteed to lose the fight and give their stars away. I've tried this map at least a dozen times now, finally swallowing my pride to lower the difficulty, and STILL I can't beat it with a starter. DLC or nothing? That hardly seems fair. I can't even land on the 2X star panels with a roll, or even walk over them. Each isn't a valid option for me and it's caused me several deaths walking right onto a boss panel instead when I had no choice in the matter.
最後修改者:dragavon; 2019 年 12 月 25 日 下午 11:13
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winter wave 2019 年 12 月 25 日 下午 11:11 
i beat it with pete
dragavon 2019 年 12 月 25 日 下午 11:23 
on what difficulty??? And did you have the same issues with star panels not being possible to land on or not being able to stop at home with backtrack, even though you were walking forward?
winter wave 2019 年 12 月 25 日 下午 11:27 
i was on causal because i don't have time to play on higher difficulties

i barely remember much of my time in the game because i just held ctrl and shift and murdered tomomo and stage 6 sora boss when it was convenient
getting home was annoying but not impossible

also yse backtrack does seem really weird on this board
i think in my first run i was walking forward with backtrack on but couldn't land on home
Luzac 2019 年 12 月 25 日 下午 11:47 
I've beat the map on casual using Tomomo. Was really close to beating it on Extreme too.
『UPRPRC』Serene♪ 2019 年 12 月 25 日 下午 11:48 
First of all, sad to see this story, but it's super common for campaign (me and my friend sometimes have a hard time against 2 CPUs on online games).

From my experience of grinding on Extreme for over 40 minutes (my friend beat it after 4 tries), all I can say is, try to land on bonus / draw panels and avoid battles at all cost (you'll never win against someone who rolls nothing but 6 in the battle, unless you're lucky enough to deny their survival). And of course, I picked Tomomo for Extreme (and blew up CPU Tomomo and Star Breaker with Mio's hyper a few times), but it should be easier if you lower it to normal or anything.

People are also saying that this map makes those CPUs much stupider when doing pathfinding, but for me, it rarely happens when Mio owns like, 200 stars but still at level 2 or 3.

Dark Citadel's design does make it impossible to norma check with Backtrack, I don't think this is a bug. The path to norma check is actually a dead end with a warp & move panel. So when Backtrack happens, you can only norma from center the warp & move panel. The other 4 warp panels are just normal warp panels that you can't roll dice to move after the warp, so that explains why you can't norma check during backtrack on that map.
最後修改者:『UPRPRC』Serene♪; 2019 年 12 月 25 日 下午 11:56
Georal Blanco 2019 年 12 月 26 日 上午 12:22 
引用自 dragavon
DLC or nothing? That hardly seems fair.

I used the standard build/character for extreme'ing: Fernet with
Holy Night
Nice Jingle
Quick Restoration
Shield Counter
Dash
Saki's Cookie x2
Pudding x2
Dinner

feel free to change dash for another healing card, that's p much what i did
took me less than 10 attempts; i honestly had a harder time with waruda xmas party

引用自 dragavon
From my experience Backtrack is bugged in this map
That too. it didn't really apply during my attempts; just ignore it, we're probably better of w/o it.
最後修改者:Georal Blanco; 2019 年 12 月 26 日 上午 12:24
dragavon 2019 年 12 月 26 日 上午 12:36 
It took a number of tries on a lower difficulty, but finally I managed to finish the map. Still really hard and if Mio hadn't missed home by two tiles I would have lost again to an over 400 star count
Daxy 2019 年 12 月 26 日 上午 12:59 
引用自 dragavon
DLC or nothing? That hardly seems fair.
One of the easiest way to beat (and any other singleplayer level, really) it is by using (unsoftened) Tomomo, who isn't a DLC character.
I beat it on my first try - both at Normal then at Extreme - with her.
Tomomo is a free character, and if you don't have her yet I highly recommend rushing through the original campaign and beating Tomomo Hell in order to unlock her.
In her singleplayer form, she has +2/0/+1 stats, along with 6HP and 6REC.
She easily overpower other characters in that form, including DLC character.
引用自 dragavon
I can't even land on the 2X star panels with a roll, or even walk over them. Each isn't a valid option for me and it's caused me several deaths walking right onto a boss panel instead when I had no choice in the matter.
afaik, this is intended, and not a bug.
The only way to access the x2 panel stars is by walking onto them in reverse (i.e. either during a Backtrack event, or by using the card Lost Child).
This seems to be an experimentation with letting the Backtrack mechanic open new paths which can't be access when it's inactive.
最後修改者:Daxy; 2019 年 12 月 26 日 上午 1:03
Trétoile 2019 年 12 月 26 日 上午 2:59 
Personally I defeated Mio's Dark Citadel with the Cuties.

I used the damage panel for self-KO when near death and tried to avoid battles, near the end the boss stolen my stars but using Cuties' hyper I managed to get to less than 100 stars to more that 300 while close to my home.

If you want to clear you have to focus on star-gathering, with ways to stole stars from the CPU without fighting them.
winter wave 2019 年 12 月 26 日 上午 3:00 
sora and sham (cuties) are a basegame character
Shade 2019 年 12 月 26 日 上午 4:21 
I used Tomomo, personally, but if we're talking "starters" as in "only Suguri, QP, Marc or Kai", then Marc and Kai should still do fine.

Honestly, as far as Extra maps go, this one is probably the tamest after Chaos of the Sweet Gods. In addition to the AI being bad at pathfinding on this map, Mio isn't very threatening outside of her hyper and Starbreaker might as well not exist in that matchup. In other words, as long as you can deal with Tomomo as an opponent you should be fine. Just don't bother trying to go Wins normas.
tricosahedron 2019 年 12 月 26 日 上午 8:33 
If you have a postive-Atk character, it's efficient to get 2 wins from encounters at first, then use that to reach norma 3, and switch to stars norma from then on.

And yeah, Backtrack works very unusually on this map. Warp panel direction is reversed as normal. But other than that, most arrows stay as they are, with the exception that the arrows to the homes disappear, making them virtually unreachable, and that the x2 bonus panels become accessible from the outer ring.
Keep in mind that Backtrack doesn't happen randomly, but at multiples of 8 chapters (8, 16, 24, ...), so you can plan around it.
Juno Brier 2019 年 12 月 26 日 上午 9:19 
I never observed the map much, using my Extreme strat of picking Tomomo, holding ctrl+shift, and hoping for best (managed to beat it on the 2nd try).

I would note that this wouldn't be the first map with backtrack weirdness: Training Program's center warp and 2x bonuses never change direction, making said center warp statistically the most difficult panel to land on in the game. Warp to it after running out of warps in a turn or by random warp effects, then have Witch's Hair Lock be used on you.
SonofTzeentch9 2019 年 12 月 26 日 下午 4:53 
Personally beat it on highest difficulty second try with Tomomo.

A trick that should definitely be used is to cram your deck full of high cost cards, so that the AI puts themselves behind in stars when they play them, as they will play their cards for pretty dumb reasons nearly as soon as they get them (Thanks again to the fellow that told me about this when I started playing the game a few years ago! Made my life a lot easier.).

This'll give you a lot more opportunities to win. Picking high attack characters is also more for regularly beating down others and making them not win, rather than winning yourself (obviously it's also for that, but it needs to be said anyway).

For this map in particular, you could also try to pack Mimic and copy Mio's hyper - due to the layout of the map, it is fairly effective there.

*edit*

Also, holding down left ctrl and left shift both speed up the game faster than it would otherwise run, so pick max speed and hold down both buttons as the speed gain is cumulative (put a book on both buttons or something)! Makes grinding a lot faster.

Not everyone seems to know this.
最後修改者:SonofTzeentch9; 2019 年 12 月 26 日 下午 4:57
Anita Coffee 2019 年 12 月 26 日 下午 6:29 
I beat it with original* Suguri on Extreme.
最後修改者:Anita Coffee; 2019 年 12 月 26 日 下午 6:29
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