Internet Historian just released a video about No Todds Lies, and its amazing

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Lord of D: Jan 8, 2020 @ 7:05pm

Internet Historian just released a video about No Todds Lies, and its amazing

The sole fact that Sean Murray is slowly going from Todd Howard 2.0 to Sakurai 2.0 convinced me of getting this game(once its on sale). Watch the video, its worth the 50 minutes, specially the ending.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5BJVO3PDeQ

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Originally posted by Fumo Bnnuy n Frends:

Originally posted by GrieferDen:
Originally posted by Lone Ech.:
Most will likely not care to read, so no harm in ignoring this comment. This is my take that I've made the most recent version of my store review.

"An honest effort to regain the trust of the gaming community made a less-than-mediocre game marred by its incredible expectation into a better-and-better-than-average game with a thriving community. I don't believe that I can say much more. It still is plagued by the cliche "indie survival sandbox" and technical issues that spawn regularly (as most games produce them) as well as the lack of still some things promised before release (though that list would be nitpicky as the major absentees have been checked off). To say that this game deserves a negative review still is to linger on the shortcomings of past effort. It has regained some of its love back from the internet, and from knowing how the internet has been I can say that's quite the work done.

Sean, I commend you for finding your place (i.e. shutting up did help very much) and making such a hard effort with your team to fix the mistakes of yester-decade. I can recommend this game to those who find fun in base-building, map and terrain navigation, survival-type, making fictional money, etc. It's not a game for everyone, but if you know you'll like it then I definitely can say you will like it."

To say that this game hasn't redeemed itself is to be malicious. But is it done yet? Not quite still. But Hello Games gave it a new lease on life with actual, worthy effort. With Internet Historian's new video, I cannot doubt that the game will see increased support from previous detractors and those who were once disappointed by the game. Especially with IH's snarky but meticulous research, I'm surprised he's been enamored by the change over the last few years as well. But, Sean is in quite the pickle here. He best either never lie again or double up on the favors after screwing up PR with a lie because there are a lot of people waiting for another mistake out of him. He needs a PR team to talk for him.

Imagine scamming millions of people, pocketing 90% of the money and then spending 10% to make the game you promised in the first place. Nothing about this spells honesty, he's a snake oil salesman and what he did is clear cut fraud no matter how he decides to spend the money later.

tbh i think the devs bit off more than they could chew

it was bad PR and an even worse move to try to be a big company siding with sony when you barely made like 3 games (all the same but done a little differently).

Also having 1 person who wasn't a spokesperson or much of any experience dealing with PR basically speaking out for the company. He was a dev so yes anything said will be taken at value especially if it's from one of the persons who made/is working on the game. If you ask a random person and a scientist whether aliens are real and what evidence, you'll be more inclined to believe the degree having scientist vs the other guy who doesn't have much relation to the topic at hand.

It also doesn't help that people and journalists hyped the game even more but this is for any game. Also the $60 pricetag would justify such high lvls of hype. Having both sony on your side and marketing it as an AAA game title and price comes the expectations for it too. You can't expect people to buy a $100 used car and a $10,000 new car and think the same expectations for both. One will always have more expectations from people than the other.

Also sony played a big role in this. Many speculated that they were thrown under the bus b/c it didn't add up. Why any single small dev team of more than 6 people would release a game in such an unfinished state. Though we really didn't have any ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ evidence either to prove it but many had a hunch that foul play and some ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ was abound.

To put it bluntly

NO

I do feel it doesn't excuse the ♥♥♥♥ they pulled but then they kept working on it so theres that. They at least get some (not all) pardon for not bailing on the game.

The main difference between the game being a scam or not is that a scam is a false product that's made to get suckers to pay for it and then they ditch dip or leave/skip town. They did the first part but they didn't keep the product as bad. They reworked it and people got more or less what they intentionally aimed for.

Also tbh they're probably the chaotic good since the bar sunk so low game after game coming out with more ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ pushing the game industry further down the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.

Let us see what the game industy has become or how it sunk so low slowly over the time NMS had a horrid release up to now (most of the major shifts anyhow):

-the entirity of fallout 76. By god this massive ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ is basically NMS 2.0 on release and still is NMS on release as they have done very little and just shilled out more money from their fanbase by milking them more for subscriptions and ♥♥♥♥.

THE FACT THAT THIS CAME OUT AWHILE AFTER NMS PRETTY MUCH HELPED CUSHION THE HATE FOR NMS'S REVIVAL BY COMPARISON.

like oh this guy set a house on fire but he built 1000. Hey it's much less evil than the guy who burned 10,000 houses and went on a killing spree.

-EA and Activision being a thing. EA especially is seen as the big pusher of things like dlc, season passes, lootboxes, etc.

-Epic games store trying to monopolize (even if temporarily) the PC market and stealing half assed but overhyped games.

-recently the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ sword and shield annoucement season pass selling you back all they ♥♥♥♥ they removed as dlc

-all the ♥♥♥♥ dlc and half made trading card unity asset flip money printing machines disguised as games on steam

-lootboxes and the political war ongoing trying to limit change or flat out ban them since they are, in reality, a gambling machine that hooks especially teens and younger adults (♥♥♥♥ gachas entirely too)

-gachas (same as lootboxes but by god i hate them so much i had to make it a seperate point entirely.

-The whole blizzard ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ on basic human rights siding with the chinese as well as hollywood in general but this is video games so for the most part just blizzard the most well known.

actually i take it back. After all the bar lowering i'd say they're chaotic good or lawful neutral by comparison.

People want something to latch onto but sadly indie devs making a comeback is nothing new just really not heard of. Indie devs really only got their rep on the line. If they ♥♥♥♥ up they get money but can never ever work in games again unless they or the company wanna risk the game being slandered just because they have the person's name on it.

Now if EA or one of the big publishers did a power people would be more likely to notice (which some did i do believe they made like 2 star wars games and 1 recent game or remaster where it had almost no lootboxes or dlc). Small step but hey it's EA. Any small shift or change is a good thing (whether they keep it up is another thing though).

if you want a real underdog story look up the cuphead devs who somewhat did the same ♥♥♥♥ putting up their houses mortage to fund the game and it became a smash hit.

in hindsight though:
-should NMS devs be forgiven?: Subjective but only partially. If you didn't buy the game you shouldn't care tbh

-Will this affect the game industry?: probably not

-is it worth the $60 pricetag?: No. Back then it wasn't and after X years it still isn't now but that's just my opinion

-will/should you buy another hello games company published/made game?: I highly suggest against it, especially if Sean Murray made claims or interviews about it (god knows that's sorta what put the game in a massive sinkhole in the first place overhyping it to hell and back).
If anything i'd highly suggest waiting for reviews and footage to come out before you buy anything and AVOID PRE-ORDERING ANYTHING AT ALL. This is for any game tbh not just Hello Games made games. Games get overhyped and suddenly the game fails to meet even the basic claims from gameplay/trailer vids.

I have no doubt though that as time goes on and more games/game companies/publishers ♥♥♥♥ the bed that NMS devs will be seen more and more in a good light. Especially since they went back and fixed the game. If they don't ♥♥♥♥ the bed any more or as big and keep making good games then i'm sure they'll eventually be redeemed by most people. Though i highly doubt that'll happen. Unlikely but hey who knows stranger ♥♥♥♥ has happened.

in the meantime the lower the bar gets the easier it'll be to have games become literal stone pillars of what games should be. In a way the only silver lining of all the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ pulled in games is that games can only go up from here.
Does it have dlc? Does it have season passes? Is it finished? Is it not a buggy mess/glitch fest during launch? Did the devs fix the game? etc.

let me be clear that i in no way support nor think bad about the NMS at this point. I'm neutral party though i don't really like the theme of the game. I like exploration and building but not procedural generation (which most other games are usually just the same assests recycled and by recycled i mean moved slightly to the sides or moved around but it's still the same game). Also not a big fan of space themed games as much as the next guy.

the fault overall lies small bits in everyone but most importantly the devs themselves who, again, bit off more than they could chew and made piss poor decisions along the way (especially Sean Murray speaking on what was gonna be in the game and giving a false hope for release). Along with the $60 price tag, had it not been for that then NMS would've probably been okay. To be frank though without the whole backlash then the game wouldn't have been rush fixed (people work much faster and better under pressure than if you give them all the time in the world especially if they missed the deadline).

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Lagrange Jan 8, 2020 @ 7:29pm

I was just going to post this. Reveals so much of what was unknown and how Sony got off easy. I'm glad they turned it all around with the new expansions. Its absolutely horrible what these talented but inexperienced devs had to go through, especially the physical threats of violence and bomb hoaxes. I blame Sony for mismanaging the entire ordeal. The game wasn't beyond criticism when it came out (obviously), but the extent it went to was pathetic.

siki

Jan 8, 2020 @ 7:33pm

literally just bought the game because of it lmao

Monstervillia has No Man's Sky

Jan 8, 2020 @ 7:39pm

man the video is hilarious XD

Lamblekin

Jan 8, 2020 @ 7:47pm

I'm gonna buy this game sometime soon 'cause of that video

EleventhStar has No Man's Sky

Jan 8, 2020 @ 8:00pm

very good video yes. definitely got me to take another look.

Count D'Cinamon has No Man's Sky

Jan 8, 2020 @ 8:02pm

lol, is watching it atm

𒀭𒋾𒊩𒆳

Jan 8, 2020 @ 8:45pm

Originally posted by MEGAMAN:

what if somebody scams you out of several millions bucks, would you be calling that "horrible" too. Sean is a great liar, he knew exactly what he was doing, I have no sympathy for that mother f u c ker, he deserved it. He lied once, he will lie again. Not much of a big deal to do so for a scumbag like Sean Murray.

Sean scammed you out of several million bucks? What'd he Con you with— a trip to Space?

LMAO

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* added MEGAMAN's whole comment; seeing as he deleted it...

Last edited by 𒀭𒋾𒊩𒆳; Jan 9, 2020 @ 9:24am

Count D'Cinamon has No Man's Sky

Jan 8, 2020 @ 8:52pm

Originally posted by MEGAMAN:
Originally posted by Lagrange:
I was just going to post this. Reveals so much of what was unknown and how Sony got off easy. I'm glad they turned it all around with the new expansions. Its absolutely horrible what these talented but inexperienced devs had to go through, especially the physical threats of violence and bomb hoaxes. I blame Sony for mismanaging the entire ordeal. The game wasn't beyond criticism when it came out (obviously), but the extent it went to was pathetic.
what if somebody scams you out of several millions bucks, would you be calling that "horrible" too. Sean is a great liar, he knew exactly what he was doing, I have no sympathy for that mother f u c ker, he deserved it. He lied once, he will lie again. Not much of a big deal to do so for a scumbag like Sean Murray.

well if he is a scam artist, he is a really bad one at that. should have left right there and then with the money and start doing something else. but here we are, the game is still well and alive with updates, getting closer and closer to what it was once want to be and more. achieved by small indie dev teams.

People make mistakes, and Sean and hello games dev team prove that they genuinely wanted to fix their mistake unlike some people that can only talk while contradicting it with action. Go watch the vid, do a bit of research and see what actually happened all those years ago and where we at now.

And no, we dont let sean and hello games go easily. they have been bombarded with lots of critics, threats, pressure and all from people all those years ago. they have paid dearly for their mistake. And now, it is safe to say that they have earned back the trust and reputation and deserve a second chance.

Last edited by Count D'Cinamon; Jan 8, 2020 @ 8:53pm

Monstervillia has No Man's Sky

Jan 8, 2020 @ 9:01pm

Originally posted by MEGAMAN:
f u с k this piece of sнit game. thats all I have to say here:-)

hello level 0 account XD

Count D'Cinamon has No Man's Sky

Jan 8, 2020 @ 9:06pm

Originally posted by superpayback13:
Originally posted by MEGAMAN:
f u с k this piece of sнit game. thats all I have to say here:-)
hello level 0 account XD

all private account shown as lvl 0/ but still, private account yknow. one way to tell people that you aren't posting here to make argument or discussion but rather just to ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.

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Monstervillia has No Man's Sky

Jan 8, 2020 @ 9:07pm

Originally posted by D'Cinamon:
Originally posted by superpayback13:
hello level 0 account XD
all private account shown as lvl 0/ but still, private account yknow. one way to tell people that you aren't posting here to make argument or discussion but rather just to ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.

well he is just coward.

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／人◕ ‿‿ ◕人＼ Jan 8, 2020 @ 11:17pm

these guys straight up lied about the majority of the content they said would be in their game dozens of times then said nothing at all when they got found out

idc how good the game is 4 years later, the fact is that a group of cowards and liars scammed thousands of people and never apologized for it.

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Birthday Dad has No Man's Sky

Jan 8, 2020 @ 11:20pm

I liked just wandering around planets even when the game came out, but holy ♥♥♥♥ is performance still a big issue.

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Ardenian

Jan 8, 2020 @ 11:58pm

Originally posted by press f to gimme money:
these guys straight up lied about the majority of the content they said would be in their game dozens of times then said nothing at all when they got found out

idc how good the game is 4 years later, the fact is that a group of cowards and liars scammed thousands of people and never apologized for it.

Do you know why developers often don't fix critical bugs after release? Darksiders 2 is a great example for a game that has some gamebreaking bugs which never got fixed, up to the point that the community created solutions themselves.

Fixing bugs and developing software after the initial release is unbelievably expensive, it is so expensive that many companies, especially big ones, don't bother to offer continuous support for their products and even if they do for some days, they quickly drop it.

The fact that Hello Games continues to support their product for literal years after release, with no (new) source of income is astonishing. Sure, they lied in the past, they made false promises, but now? Did they not redeem themselves through their continuous support?

Last edited by Ardenian; Jan 8, 2020 @ 11:59pm

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