piss poor performance?

[Cocytus]

ok, on my old pc i thought it's simply due to my machine being weak, but on my new pc with the following specs i still get the same absurd lags/stutters/freezes:
i7 12700f, 3090ti, 32GB 4ghz ram while being installed on a samsung 970 pro (3500MB/s)
doesn't really matter if i play on max settings or medium, the average framerate remains the same just as the stuttering/freezes do...
like seriously, what are you pimps even doing all the time?
most updates seem to casualize the game more and more and the performance keeps getting worse and worse to the point of it becoming near unplayable

[Dim]

I have exact same issues. Similar specs, expect my cpu is 12900k. Performance its bad. No crashes etc, but Stuttering it's horrible. I had same bs again before with 2070s+10900k. Unistalled it due to that crap, reinstalled again now, and same ♥♥♥♥, different day. The Fun Pimps don't give a dogpoo about the performance issue. Just "Play it in minecraft visuals and lower resolution to 1080p". 10y game, and gonna take another 10 to "fix" it. Only updates i see it's just for lame Twitch this and that.

[Cocytus]

yea, i'm about to uninstall it as well and this time it'll be final, really makes you regret kickstarting this sorry excuse of a game when even modern top machines can't run it on medium settings without absurd performance issues (or heck, the game simply won't even make use of the hardware that's sitting at 50-60% load)

[Mardoin69]

Part of your (alls) stuttering issue is due to them cpu's using 'logical' cores and 'Hyperthreading.' To resolve that....always launch task manager first, then game, then switch back to task manager, go to 'details' and set affinity for the 7d2d.exe only enabling cores 0,2,4,6. Then switch back to game. You have to do this every time you launch the game....which is why I don't buy cpu's that use 'logical' cores.

The other part of stutter comes from some poorly optimized features in the current version of the game. Shadow distance should only be maxed at 'High' and Reflected Shadows set to the lowest or completely OFF--for best results.

Another possible cause of stutter is if you didn't set the game exe's into your Anti-Virus / Windows Security 'Exceptions' list. It'll be checking files as you play causing a performance hit.

Another possible cause is your Windows power profile....be sure it's set for 'High Performance.'

Another cause will be that dastardly Windows Game Bar--open it up and disable settings like broadcasting, shadowplay....recording game sessions...etc. Or, look up the Powershell script for removing it all together like I do.

There's an entire thread on Performance in the 'Support' sub-forum.
https://steamcommunity.com/app/251570/discussions/1/3190241086281294394/

And, lastly...the windows textures aren't optimized and cause some hit to performance which gets fairly obvious in big cities and POI's with lots of windows. Luckily, someone did a mod for replacing those windows textures that you can get on Nexus;
https://www.nexusmods.com/7daystodie/mods/2397

[Cocytus]

Originally posted by Mardoin69:

Part of your (alls) stuttering issue is due to them cpu's using 'logical' cores and 'Hyperthreading.' To resolve that....always launch task manager first, then game, then switch back to task manager, go to 'details' and set affinity for the 7d2d.exe only enabling cores 0,2,4,6. Then switch back to game. You have to do this every time you launch the game....which is why I don't buy cpu's that use 'logical' cores.

The other part of stutter comes from some poorly optimized features in the current version of the game. Shadow distance should only be maxed at 'High' and Reflected Shadows set to the lowest or completely OFF--for best results.

Another possible cause of stutter is if you didn't set the game exe's into your Anti-Virus / Windows Security 'Exceptions' list. It'll be checking files as you play causing a performance hit.

Another possible cause is your Windows power profile....be sure it's set for 'High Performance.'

Another cause will be that dastardly Windows Game Bar--open it up and disable settings like broadcasting, shadowplay....recording game sessions...etc. Or, look up the Powershell script for removing it all together like I do.

There's an entire thread on Performance in the 'Support' sub-forum.
https://steamcommunity.com/app/251570/discussions/1/3190241086281294394/

And, lastly...the windows textures aren't optimized and cause some hit to performance which gets fairly obvious in big cities and POI's with lots of windows. Luckily, someone did a mod for replacing those windows textures that you can get on Nexus;
https://www.nexusmods.com/7daystodie/mods/2397

not sure what's your point with the logical cores since the i7 12700 has 12 physical cores (8 performance cores for games and stuff and 4 efficient cores for background tasks)
while offering up to 20 threads for hyperthreading on the performance cores...

about the other stuff, the windows power profile is always set to max performance, windows game bar is always disabled because it's useless junk to begin with, everything else can still be blamed on the pimps because it's their job to code that stuff to properly work (like on literally every other game i'm playing)

[Infrasound]

I still play this game with a i5 gtx 750 card 3.2 ghz. I still get over 40 fps with looks smooth to me. have you checked to see if you have malware or trojan? Maybe keylogger? That stuff can slow you down. Idk why your rig would be slow in performance. Its a god over mine.

[Cocytus]

pfft, this thing is brand new, can play other way more demanding games at maximum settings at 200+ fps easily and i can assure you there are no keyloggers/ad/mal/spyware on my machine either since i'm rather pedantic about getting rid of that ♥♥♥♥ (including that obnoxious EOS garbage the pimps felt like implementing recently.

and on a side note, 40fps is as far from "smooth" as a fish is from flying to the moon

[mathaniel]

I`ll never understand why some players come on here in 7DTD with these souped up top shelf rigs and then complain about the game`s performance. Isn`t that monster supposed to play any game on the market like it was drinking a Starbucks latte? I mean, I`ve been on this push almost a decade and seen players like you come in here same scenario. Just got a Top Shelf rig but won`t play 7DTD. It`ll "play any game out there but this one", heard that a thousand times, settings mate, settings . Yawn. Plenty of players here trying ta give ya advice if ya want it. Stop Pfffft`ing them and listen up and try some of the advice. Sheesh. If you came in here for help, take it dude. Just my opinion. Don`t get your knickers in a bunch. I`m too old, been in this game since Jesus wore sandals. Just a thought for a better gaming experience. Cheers

[Cocytus]

i've been in this game ever since the kickstarter pulled through and the first versions were accessible to public as well and honestly, while the performance was never the best, it just kept getting worse and worse...
seriously, there's a point where it simply get's ridiculous and the so called "help" is just aggravating since it'll just waste your time, won't help at all and ultimately still comes down to the pimps doing a horrible job at coding this thing together...
so yea, over 10 years after the start of it and even with a pc that should run it effortlessly on the backburner it runs like

i mean seriously, just explain those 1 second freezes every time you open a chest or loot container in general, the horribly tanking fps (into the single digits) even on medium settings with the above mentioned specs or heck, the fact that it won't even make use of more than half the actual hardwares power while offering that piss poor performance.

no matter how you look at it, it's simply one optimization fail after another with absolutely no excuses.

[mathaniel]

I`ve never had a problem, still have the same rig. I know ♥♥♥♥ from shinols about computers. Had Geek Squad shift old stuff from old rig to this one several yrs ago. I turn them on play games, read mail, pay bills, shop, watch a bit of stuff, about it. Never one single problem wasn`t fixed riki tik. I don`t ever do any "hmmm, wonder what this key does" and "here, hold my beer" kinda stuff, less I want to call GS again:-). Don`t know how these things work, don`t gaf. Mine breaks, I`ll toss it out back, get a new one. This one works? Ain`t broke don`t fix it lol.

Maybe most of the issues playing 7DTD I`ve seen in here over these years, ain`t the computer, ain`t the game. I have had a stutter problem in the past, asked in here, followed instructions, been stutter free for years. Fractured game? Asked in here, followed directions, no problems since. jmo. just sayin friend. It just "seemed" to me players offered ya help, ya kinda shrugged it off. Could be wrong, usually am. Move along folks nothing to see here. I do hope yo get it sorted as you know damn well being here so long, how good this game is. I rest my case counselor. Cheers

[SylenThunder]

Originally posted by ⛧Cocytus⛧:

not sure what's your point with the logical cores since the i7 12700 has 12 physical cores (8 performance cores for games and stuff and 4 efficient cores for background tasks)
while offering up to 20 threads for hyperthreading on the performance cores...

It has to do with the non-standard architecture, and programs not knowing how to use it properly.
Also note that if you are on Windows 10, and not 11, your performance output from that CPU will differ greatly. Win 10 will be sub-standard.

This isn't even taking into account other sub-optimal setups where the system was shipped with the incorrect RAM or CPU settings. Other games won't care much about that, but 7 Days will. I'll get into that more in just a moment.

Originally posted by ⛧Cocytus⛧:

pfft, this thing is brand new, can play other way more demanding games ....

I'll stop you right here. You are showing you really don't know anything about how this game works. "more demanding games" like Cyberpunk, Atlas, ect, don't give a rats ass about what your CPU is up to, and they aren't using RAM for much other than lighweight data storage. They only really care about what your GPU is capable of. You could throw a 3090 into a potato and still play those games just the same 90% of the time.

7 Days on the other hand relies heavily on the CPU, RAM, and HDD access timings. So lets dive into this on your PC for a moment.
The base clock speed of both your performance cores, and the power-efficient cores is below min spec for the game. Turbo frequency's really don't matter much here because that is something that is only hit for a few seconds sometimes. It won't run at those speeds without manual overclocking. Add to that possible RAM timing issues, a defective SSD, Google 970 Pro Firmware, and make sure yours isn't affected), and you have a recipe for low framerates. You're probably also playing at some insane resolution like 4k, which is extremely expensive in a Voxel game, and will put even more load on the CPU (not the GPU).

So in order for you to ensure you're getting the right FPS, your best bet is to run the game without EAC, and assign core affinity to only four or six physical performance cores. Same as what people have to do with old Ryzen 1st and 2nd gen CPU's because of how ♥♥♥♥♥♥ the architecture is on those. Yours is no different. In four or five years the OS and game engines might catch on to that new fangled technology you wasted your money on, but I wouldn't hold my breath. It's been 20 years, and most games still haven't adapted to using IPv6.

Oh, and don't forget to verify you're using the correct XMP settings for your RAM. Most end up shipping using the lowest capable speed because manufactures have forgotten how QA works. That or people self-building systems assume it should be set correctly automatically, and don't realize that it won't.

Lastly, there is a known issue with buildings in cities that will tank the FPS. It has to do with reflections on the glass, and is fixed in a21. There is a mod for a20 that resolves it.

Oh, actually that wasn't last. Bloatware on your system will affect performance as well. So does not excluding the client from security software. I cover this in detail in the Pinned troubleshooting thread.

Because let's get real here. A lesser system is able to run the game just fine IF it is properly cleaned an optimized. Again, I have gone into this in great detail previously...
Minimum hardware test a18/19 comparison

I have also covered in great detail how much of a difference something as small as CPU performance and RAM timing makes...
System comparison

You can argue against this all you want. I'm just bringing the facts to the table. You can use it to your advantage and get an improved experience with better knowledge, or you can waste your time complaining and blaming the game about something you could fix with a little effort.

[Cocytus]

@SylenThunder
ok, to cut your post down into what you just assumed and isn't correct at all:

1st of all, the base clock of my CPU might be below the requirements, i give you that but whenever i start the game it instantly clocks up to 4.36Ghz and remains there until i close the game (checked via task manager and other utilities)

2nd the ram XMP settings, i've already made sure the ram is working at the intended 4ghz clock

3rd i'm playing on 2k res since on my screen size the 4k res wouldn't offer much visual improvement yet ramp up the power consumption immensely for no reason

4th regarding bloatware (like the EOS/EAC and other similar bullcrap) i'm quite thorough with removing those things for various reasons.

5th regarding my 970 pro it was running at full capacity during a stresstest just now.

so all things considered i've checked basically all but the windows 11 reasons you listed there (which is quite the hard insult for anyone that wants actual control over their own system since win 11 literally denies everything and enforces even more bullcrap than win10)

but sure, feel free to bring up more of those "facts" that apparently are a "1 fits all" solution while they're clearly not

[Mardoin69]

So.... you maybe missing the point SylenThunder is trying to make here. They didn't 'ASSUME' anything. They're just stating the things to look for and possibly wrong in your system. And, yeah.... an I7 uses 'logical' cores. You maybe don't understand what that means and Intel maybe mis-representing that cpu.....they are NOT all 'Physical' cores. Just follow the advice and you'll see a decent boost...... or just keep arguing.... I don't care either way.

About the 'Bloatware'...... I don't think SylenThunder was referring just to EAC / EOS. They were talking about all the crap apps that come pre-installed on store bought PC's. A lot of those are always running in the background when you boot up Windows. Just be sure you've disabled them or set them to not start when windows starts. It's good that you've checked the other things though. And, yeah....the game does need some optimization. But, you're not the first person to complain of that stutter issue with that particular 970 Pro. That's why they were recommending you check the firmware status on it.