Grenadiers Vs Panzergrenadiers

[MJ]

I just want a clarification of the difference between Grenadiers and Panzergrenadiers, and what the are each good for.

[Bad_vader]

I believe Grenadiers are more for anti infantry purpose(upgradable with lmg) while the Panzergrens are for AT(can be upgraded with panzershreksx2)

[BADKATT]

anti infantry and anti tank but both are half way good at the other

[falk]

It's not that simple. If you don't give your panzergrens their shrecks they are very good at anti infantry work. And much superior in the assault role than the normal grenadiers who are more defensive in nature.

[Phero]

PG have more armor, harder to kill, harder to pin, will blow everything away with their shreks. Only better foot soldier unit is Shock Troops but they are not AT and they are doctrine.

[Felicity]

Grens can hold their own at a distance, PGs can't, but if you get PGs near anthing (when they haven't upgraded) their assault rifles will rip ♥♥♥♥ apart like no tomorrow. Remember: automatic weapons are more effective close up.

[Dr-Pepper]

Aye, panzer means armour in german :)

[alexshiro]

Originally posted by Phero:

PG have more armor, harder to kill, harder to pin, will blow everything away with their shreks. Only better foot soldier unit is Shock Troops but they are not AT and they are doctrine.

Can you post some source on this? I heard they have same health and armor.

[Brummbær]

Originally posted by Dr-Pepper:

Aye, panzer means armour in german :)

But has nothing to do with their role: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panzergrenadier

[Phero]

I heard it on the official forum. I have no idea if these stats are maintained / accurate.
PG http://coh-moderncombat.com/CoH2Stats/Axis/Soldiers/panzergrenediers.html
Shock Troops http://coh-moderncombat.com/CoH2Stats/Soviets/Soldiers/shock_troops.html

This says 1.5 armor vs 2.25 for Shock Troops but it also says 80 health for all foot soldier units in the game so I dunno.

[alexshiro]

According to what you linked Grens and PGs have same health, armor, and pinnability.

[Phero]

First time I looked at that site foot soldier units had 1.0 armor, PG having 1.5, I remember being surprised that Shock Troops had 2.25. Now I went to double check and half the pages arent working so maybe it's just a bs site. I can't find any other cold fact source for stats so I'm guessing Relic don't want people to know.

[Azza]

Panzer Grenadiers have same health and armor as Grenadiers, so there no more difficult to kill.
They do alot more damage and at close range will beat every Russian infantry bar Shock Troops , Conscript using the Hit the Dirt ability with the PPSH upgrade or Penal Battalion with flamer upgrade.

They also don't have a accuracy penalty while moving.

They can upgrade to Panzershreks for 120 munitions which makes them quite effective at taking on tanks but less effective at fighting infantry.

Bundle Grenade has less range than Grenadier Rifle Grenade but a larger blast area.

Generally speaking you will want to use P Gren's at close range and Grenadiers at long range.

[Azza]

Link to armor stats.
http://hardcoregamemode.blogspot.ie/2013/06/guide-coh2-list-of-infantry-by-armor.html

Link to DPS stats
http://hardcoregamemode.blogspot.ie/2013/06/guide-coh2-list-of-infantry-by-armor.html

Shocks have less DPS than PGren's. Its the armor that gives them the edge.

[Phero]

They are using the same source as in my post.

[Azza]

True. Its largely accurate from what I can tell but I don't think the blog takes the DPS nerf of the Maxim into account from the last patch. Even with the nerf it does considerably more damage than the MG42.