What was the Obersoldaten really named during WW2?

[Frieren]

I was searching on Wikipedia and Google about Obersoldaten but there where no findings except it was a rank the Germans used. Are the Obersoldaten a fictional unit or was it called something else. Or did is it like regular grenadier squad just a higher rank thus the name Obersoldaten? Any suggestions or ideas are welcome, maybe even answers

[Medryn]

Originally posted by Maschinengewehr:

Originally posted by Lord Rahl:

Fusiliers means scouts. In reality, they were actually usually very poorly trained in combat and were literally only there to recon. Poorly equipped as well.

Fun fact:

The only division to utilise "Panzerfüsiliere" in WWII was the Großdeutschland Division. There are accounts of Großdeutschland being complicent with many war crimes.

So kids, don't use Panzerfusiliers. They're most likely criminal murderers mkay?

Panzerfusiliers and fusiliers are 2 different things :)

[ElokoMs]

Originally posted by Lord Rahl:

Originally posted by ElokoMs:

And where is the difference to the Panzerfüsiliers? Panzerfüsiliers in WW2 were part of Panzergrenadier divisions. If you look at the rifle upgrade, I think, they mixed them with (Gebirgs-)jäger.

Fusiliers means scouts. In reality, they were actually usually very poorly trained in combat and were literally only there to recon. Poorly equipped as well.

Fusiliers were also renamed normal infantry regiments with the same number like fusilier regiments of the Prussian army.

[Maschinengewehr]

Originally posted by Lord Rahl:

Originally posted by Maschinengewehr:

Fun fact:

The only division to utilise "Panzerfüsiliere" in WWII was the Großdeutschland Division. There are accounts of Großdeutschland being complicent with many war crimes.

So kids, don't use Panzerfusiliers. They're most likely criminal murderers mkay?

Panzerfusiliers and fusiliers are 2 different things :)

Fusiliers are like pre-20th century skirmishers, and were usually the younger soldiers at the front of the line that harrassed the enemy.

Panzerfusiliers were just an adaptation of "light" panzergrenadiers essentially, although they had the same function.

[Mike]

Many SS frontline divisions commited war crimes on both the eastern and western fronts. Probably the most known one was at Normandy when Canadian POW's were executed by troops under the command of Kurt Meyer of 1st SS LSSAH division.

Most SS divisions served on the eastern front before being moved back west in 1943-1944. Which is why they treated western allied troops so poorly, fighting a war of extermination in the east- which was the SS indoctrination with lebensraum et al.

The panzergrenadier unit has SS uniform on also. Relic just used the uniforms/ kit without calling the actual units SS Panzergrenadier or SS Obersoldaten, which they mirror to a tee.

[Hibana Oh Nana]

As you can see on the picture when you click on your obersoldaten, the blank Waffen-SS collar tab shows that they belong to the SD (Sicherheitsdienst), and their rank are Corporal (SS-Sturmmann). Hope this helps you to understand, you guys can ask me for more about German units.

[Maschinengewehr]

Originally posted by Barry The Eagle:

As you can see on the picture when you click on your obersoldaten, the blank Waffen-SS collar tab shows that they belong to the SD (Sicherheitsdienst), and their rank are Corporal (SS-Sturmmann). Hope this helps you to understand, you guys can ask me for more about German units.

They're LMG-toting Gestapo ubermensch?

♥♥♥♥ I just want to kill those bastards even more now!

[Voyevoda]

SSMeganaziSturmFuhrer

[Fornax The Lazy]

Originally posted by Maschinengewehr:

Originally posted by Barry The Eagle:

As you can see on the picture when you click on your obersoldaten, the blank Waffen-SS collar tab shows that they belong to the SD (Sicherheitsdienst), and their rank are Corporal (SS-Sturmmann). Hope this helps you to understand, you guys can ask me for more about German units.

They're LMG-toting Gestapo ubermensch?

♥♥♥♥ I just want to kill those bastards even more now!

Obers be like:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-KNRivCBi5Q

[Hibana Oh Nana]

They are soo expensive by the way.

[Sworn Lance]

Originally posted by Field Marshal Sad Keanu:

Yeah, to point something out:

In CoH1, Knight's Cross Holders were basically SS troops.

In CoH2, OberSoldatan are basically SS troops.

The reason they do not call them SS, though, should be obvious. Instead, they have vaguely similar uniforms and are named something else.

Honestly, I'm surprised they even used the name NKVD for one or two of the Soviet doctrines. NKVD was not exactly much better than the SS.

I know this discussion has been dead for a while, but I'm a little OCD about these stupid little things.

You can tell by the Oak-A Camouflage Parkas that the Waffen SS of Company of Heroes 1 are actually the Wehermacht Blitzkrieg 'Stormtrooper' unit. Postwar, a common misconception arose that Waffen SS soldiers (who could be a variety of things, including Grenadiers, Panzergrenadiers, etc.) were called Stormtroopers - in fact, many people believe that SS stands for 'Sturmtruppen' (Storm Troops in German), when it in fact stands for Schutstaffel, which can be fairly accurately translated to 'Protection Squadron'.

In World War 1, Sturmtruppen were elite, shock infantry who acted as a vanguard when attacking enemy trenches. Relic seems to portray the idea of the Stormtroopers as stealth troops in CoH, but they were closer to heavy infantry.

A more fitting name for Stormtroopers would be Waffen-SS Grenadiers, or just simply Waffen SS.

Sorry for the wall of text. I'm just passionate about these things.

Oh, by the way, Obersoldaten are actually Waffen SS, going once again by the Camoflage. God knows what the ♥♥♥♥ CoH 2 Stormtroopers are supposed to be - Grenadiers specially trained in hide and seek and given camoflage patterns that never existed, apparently.

Sometimes the way Relic dodges authenticity to keep everything politically correct frustrates me.

[Patrykblack7]

This necro

[Kael]

Obersoldat was a regular Rank in the Army to that time, btw

[Hibana Oh Nana]

Originally posted by Grim Looter:

Originally posted by Field Marshal Sad Keanu:

Yeah, to point something out:

In CoH1, Knight's Cross Holders were basically SS troops.

In CoH2, OberSoldatan are basically SS troops.

The reason they do not call them SS, though, should be obvious. Instead, they have vaguely similar uniforms and are named something else.

Honestly, I'm surprised they even used the name NKVD for one or two of the Soviet doctrines. NKVD was not exactly much better than the SS.

I know this discussion has been dead for a while, but I'm a little OCD about these stupid little things.

You can tell by the Oak-A Camouflage Parkas that the Waffen SS of Company of Heroes 1 are actually the Wehermacht Blitzkrieg 'Stormtrooper' unit. Postwar, a common misconception arose that Waffen SS soldiers (who could be a variety of things, including Grenadiers, Panzergrenadiers, etc.) were called Stormtroopers - in fact, many people believe that SS stands for 'Sturmtruppen' (Storm Troops in German), when it in fact stands for Schutstaffel, which can be fairly accurately translated to 'Protection Squadron'.

In World War 1, Sturmtruppen were elite, shock infantry who acted as a vanguard when attacking enemy trenches. Relic seems to portray the idea of the Stormtroopers as stealth troops in CoH, but they were closer to heavy infantry.

A more fitting name for Stormtroopers would be Waffen-SS Grenadiers, or just simply Waffen SS.

Sorry for the wall of text. I'm just passionate about these things.

Oh, by the way, Obersoldaten are actually Waffen SS, going once again by the Camoflage. God knows what the ♥♥♥♥ CoH 2 Stormtroopers are supposed to be - Grenadiers specially trained in hide and seek and given camoflage patterns that never existed, apparently.

Sometimes the way Relic dodges authenticity to keep everything politically correct frustrates me.

You can tell just by looking at their collar tabs to determine their unit type. and Obersoldaten in COH2 is SD (Sicherheitsdienst) of the SS, you can tell by the blank right collar tab, that means they belong to the SD. Knights cross holder are not units of the waffen-ss, the officer hat don't have the SS skull and crossbone and their uniform don't have the SS collar tab that means they belong to the wehrmacht, the insignia said so. But Obersoldaten in COH2 does.

[Hibana Oh Nana]

Originally posted by Kael:

Obersoldat was a regular Rank in the Army to that time, btw

actually no, it's Oberschütze not Obersoldat. soldat means soldier in German

[Sworn Lance]

So... I was right?

Yay. I know all about Nazis.