Infrared STG44 useless?

[Ostoia]

Along with the rest of that doctrine? Standard LMG obersoldaten upgrade is so much better even without veterancy they seem to do so much more damage than the ones with stg44 with vet3 or 4.

[Maschinengewehr]

Originally posted by Hungry Hungry Cho'Gath:

Problem with infrared stgs is that you only get 2. At close range every other close range unit is better just because they have 4-6 close range weapons and mid and long range the mg 34 is better or equal. Same goes for volks stgs or conscript pssh. If they had an mg upgrade too noone would go for half assed close range.

You forget the rest of the Obers stats. Seriously try it. The only inf that can beat them at close range (its still close) is vet 2+ Thompson paras. IR StG44 Obers mop the floor with everything else.

[Hungry Hungry Cho'Gath]

Originally posted by Maschinengewehr:

Originally posted by Hungry Hungry Cho'Gath:

Problem with infrared stgs is that you only get 2. At close range every other close range unit is better just because they have 4-6 close range weapons and mid and long range the mg 34 is better or equal. Same goes for volks stgs or conscript pssh. If they had an mg upgrade too noone would go for half assed close range.

You forget the rest of the Obers stats. Seriously try it. The only inf that can beat them at close range (its still close) is vet 2+ Thompson paras. IR StG44 Obers mop the floor with everything else.

What stats?
Size same as commandos k98 damage way worse than stan stgs litte better summed up they lose.
6 man shock 1,5 armor 33,33% damage reduction even better than obers size at least against small arms pssh way better close up than k98 litte worse than stg but but still better summed up Panzergrens little fatter, guns litte worse but again 4 beats 2 etc.
You will beat none of them close up.

[Imperial Dane]

Well i have an episode out today showing off the power of the IRstg44s : https://youtu.be/yb_egztyyJw

[Hungry Hungry Cho'Gath]

Just tested it in cover so 90% acc for obers 50% for others. They won vs fall and barly won vs panzergrens. They lost hard against schocks, assault guards, commandos and thompson paras. They strangely perform equal out of cover.

[Col Com Dante]

Unless you throw a toxic smoke grenade, followed by the grenade spread to stop them closing in. Anything left alive after running through those will to torn apart by the IR STGs.

[dan]

Originally posted by Imperial Dane:

Well i have an episode out today showing off the power of the IRstg44s : https://youtu.be/yb_egztyyJw

New player here. Very interesting match. But I still don’t see what the stg obers did that the mg obers wouldn’t have been able to do. Although to be fair I’ve used obers rarely so maybe I’m not good at spotting the difference. Also ir stg obers would be pretty cool if they could shoot through smoke like normal. At least the models with stgs.

[Newbie4life!!!]

Another benefit is being able to build a mech truck and med truck, then later call in the command panther when the enemy starts fielding mediums; without having to invest into a flak truck.

[iBN Demashq™ ☪]

you NEED to try Obersodalten with infrared STG44 garrisoned inside building... they are crazy good.

[dan]

Originally posted by Newbie4life!!!:

Another benefit is being able to build a mech truck and med truck, then later call in the command panther when the enemy starts fielding mediums; without having to invest into a flak truck.

I just realised that is actually a pretty big advantage considering flak truck costs 120 fuel. You can use com panther until you have fuel for the flak truck later.