What is the difference between Oberkommando der Wehrmacht and Oberkommando West?

[I'm a Fascist]

Are they the same thing? I can't seem to find Oberkommando West on wikipedia, it only tells me about Oberkommando der Wehrmacht

[CatMeowMeow]

Its fictional.
Relic want to make late war Wehrmacht Western front armies into a faction and they made OKW



In Ardennes Assault campaign they never say Oberkommando West, they only say Wermacht, The German or Jerry.


And don't you think OKW is a good name?


A lot of things are fictional in CoH2. For example:
There were no Obersoldaten, they are based on SS Honour guard. (They were actually going to name them honor guard too)

[Felinewolfie]

Oberkommando is not a thing. It's just "Top command".
Oberkommandowest is "Western top command"
OstHeer is Eastern Army. Wehrmacht is "Armed forces"

So Eastern Front German Army and Western Front German Army.

There you go :)

[Midare-Saki]

they probably indirectly implying SS when they added in the "West" part. since all that nazi stuff wasnt banned when they released it, if i remeber they just couldnt name the faction SS. or its probably they seperating timelines by saying wehr eastern front and okw western

[CODGUY]

Автор сообщения: I'm Black

Are they the same thing? I can't seem to find Oberkommando West on wikipedia, it only tells me about Oberkommando der Wehrmacht

Think of OKW as the Waffen SS. Then they make more sense.

[Skaldy]

Автор сообщения: CatMeowMeow

Its fictional.



In Ardennes Assault campaign they never say Oberkommando West, they only say Wermacht, The German or Jerry.

you sure about that? Jerry is british slang and kraut is murrican slang for germans. And we get to play as americans in ardennes assault campaign...

[CatMeowMeow]

Автор сообщения: Skaldy

Автор сообщения: CatMeowMeow

Its fictional.



In Ardennes Assault campaign they never say Oberkommando West, they only say Wermacht, The German or Jerry.

you sure about that? Jerry is british slang and kraut is murrican slang for germans. And we get to play as americans in ardennes assault campaign...

Well maybe I misheard it. but I think if enemy is down to 200 or 300 point they refer to germans as Jerry.

[Φ Baron of Noobs]

Both jerry and kraut are used to describe the germans but only americans called germans krauts, also the british called them huns or even fritz. On the other hand, the germans called the british tommies, i wonder what they called americans.

[Maschinengewehr]

Автор сообщения: Baron of Noobs

Both jerry and kraut are used to describe the germans but only americans called germans krauts, also the british called them huns or even fritz. On the other hand, the germans called the british tommies, i wonder what they called americans.

Cowboys or Yankees. Or just plain Amerikaner.

Автор сообщения: CODGUY

Автор сообщения: I'm Black

Are they the same thing? I can't seem to find Oberkommando West on wikipedia, it only tells me about Oberkommando der Wehrmacht

Think of OKW as the Waffen SS. Then they make more sense.

OKW isn't Waffen SS strictly. They represent the divisions in the Battle of the Bulge collectively. That includes both Heer and Waffen SS divisions.

[Kermitjames]

Автор сообщения: I'm Black

Are they the same thing? I can't seem to find Oberkommando West on wikipedia, it only tells me about Oberkommando der Wehrmacht

Автор сообщения: Felinewolfie

Oberkommando is not a thing. It's just "Top command".
Oberkommandowest is "Western top command"
OstHeer is Eastern Army. Wehrmacht is "Armed forces"

So Eastern Front German Army and Western Front German Army.

There you go :)

Germany historically went from a highly mobile armored attack for to a defensive, war torn, and injured fighting force. Things went south with the soviet operation “Uranus” and then later the winter of 1943-1944. After later on with Germany’s failure to capture Stalingrad the soviets have had plenty time after the winter of 43 to reinforce Kursk and turn it into a heavily reinforced defensive position. Pill boxes, barbed wire, the works the same Napoleon suffered years before when Bonapart failed to capture Borodino.

Kursk was the battle that broke the camels back, Germany afterwards hung on by a thread and from there on out started to lose ground and continued to be pushed back.

Germany lost quite a bit of men to Operation Barbarossa which honestly culled Germany’s resources in the end. Germany massed troops on the Russian border startin in 1941, and captured Berlin in April 1945. The Americans crossed a bridge over the Rhône’s at Remagen in March of 1945. The British I cannot recall where the crosses and when.
Germany fought until the end and even employed children and wounded to defend Germany’s borders.

So long story short
Okw represents Germany’s schutzstaffel (SS) and forces during the battle of the bulge and the allies push towards the Rhineland.

Wehrmacht represents Germany during, before and afterthe winter of 43 and onwards to Kursk.

Again I’m pulling this from memory and some may be outt my rear. Hopefully I’m accurate please anyone be kind when you prove me incorrect.

[Φ Baron of Noobs]

Автор сообщения: Kermitjames

Автор сообщения: I'm Black

Are they the same thing? I can't seem to find Oberkommando West on wikipedia, it only tells me about Oberkommando der Wehrmacht

Автор сообщения: Felinewolfie

Oberkommando is not a thing. It's just "Top command".
Oberkommandowest is "Western top command"
OstHeer is Eastern Army. Wehrmacht is "Armed forces"

So Eastern Front German Army and Western Front German Army.

There you go :)

Germany historically went from a highly mobile armored attack for to a defensive, war torn, and injured fighting force. Things went south with the soviet operation “Uranus” and then later the winter of 1943-1944. After later on with Germany’s failure to capture Stalingrad the soviets have had plenty time after the winter of 43 to reinforce Kursk and turn it into a heavily reinforced defensive position. Pill boxes, barbed wire, the works the same Napoleon suffered years before when Bonapart failed to capture Borodino.

Kursk was the battle that broke the camels back, Germany afterwards hung on by a thread and from there on out started to lose ground and continued to be pushed back.

Germany lost quite a bit of men to Operation Barbarossa which honestly culled Germany’s resources in the end. Germany massed troops on the Russian border startin in 1941, and captured Berlin in April 1945. The Americans crossed a bridge over the Rhône’s at Remagen in March of 1945. The British I cannot recall where the crosses and when.
Germany fought until the end and even employed children and wounded to defend Germany’s borders.

So long story short
Okw represents Germany’s schutzstaffel (SS) and forces during the battle of the bulge and the allies push towards the Rhineland.

Wehrmacht represents Germany during, before and afterthe winter of 43 and onwards to Kursk.

Again I’m pulling this from memory and some may be outt my rear. Hopefully I’m accurate please anyone be kind when you prove me incorrect.

i disagree okw is just the wehrmacht on the western front and the wehrmacht(ostheer) is the eastern german army.I think what is the only thing that approaches the waffen ss in the game are the obersoldaten from the okw and maybe the stormtroopers and panzergrenadiers from the ostheer.

[Φ Baron of Noobs]

To be honest, the command structure of the german armed forces at that time was a mess. On theory, Oberkommando der Luftwaffe(OKL),der Marine(OKM) and Heeres(OKH) were to respond to the Oberkommando der Wehrmacht(OKW) .But in reality the three of them were operating on their own throughout most of the war and to make things more complicated the OKW ran the western front while the OKH was responsible for the eastern front. In the game, i think the Oberkommando West in real life is actually the Oberbefehlshaber West(OB West) which was under responsibility of OKW.

[Skaldy]

easiest way to explain this;
wehrmacht is your national traditional german armed forces.
OKW is your SS variant.

Most people like to think all germans were nazis. Most of the traditional army wasnt. Perfect example would be Erwin Rommel.

[Brutus]

Автор сообщения: Baron of Noobs

Both jerry and kraut are used to describe the germans but only americans called germans krauts, also the british called them huns or even fritz. On the other hand, the germans called the british tommies, i wonder what they called americans.

The term "Jerry" was used all over the world. italians called German engineers and supply convoys jerries in africa. have a refrence in a book even.... US govt' called them huns in public propaganda and it stuck to all allies. Fritz was what the soviets called them.
absolutely everyone has known the british as tommies. they have been known as that since the 1750's....

[miandaniel]

This is a game which both adults and children play, and as a result the developers are conscious about it's sale in various markets. In Germany there is actually a law about displaying intentional Nazi symbolism and promoting Nazi ideology without government oversight. The irony is Jews and the Allied nations have no problem promoting Nazism through documentaries ,games, media and books, which is really stupid given it has been almost 70 years since WW2.

[Sir Moisty Capybara]

Автор сообщения: miandaniel

This is a game which both adults and children play (...)

PEGI for CoH2 is 18+
Official site (http://www.companyofheroes.com/) have age gate.

So no, this isn't game for children and that (part of) argument is wrong in conclusion, even based on facts.

Автор сообщения: miandaniel

The irony is Jews and the Allied nations have no problem promoting Nazism through documentaries ,games, media and books, which is really stupid given it has been almost 70 years since WW2.

That isn't irony - Jews and Allied nations are 'moral victors' and I think that they don't care about displaying someones being bad. German even want to have nothing to do with N.a.z.i.s.m and that's why you get 'that were just mystical creatures called n.a.z.i.s in Germany" narrative right now, even with those cherrys like 'Polish Death Camps'.

History depicted in Coh2 is quite based on history, even if it in it's campaign just shy on from Wehrmacht crimes and depicts only Russian ones. So treat this topic with care.

Before you all wehraboos start starting whining about Wehrmacht being moral superior to SS.: Wehrmacht commited crimes too. I'll just back it with wikipedia, even I don't consider it the best reliable source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_crimes_of_the_Wehrmacht#Invasion_of_Poland