Does someone else miss the 88mm Flak 36 AT/AA?

[Calas Typhon]

They sould have made it for the Oberkommando West, istead of the same giant Pak? Would that be so difficult, like the old CoH with the Fallschirmjager.

[Exarch_Alpha]

Messaggio originale di Calas Typhon:

Pak 43 about 2000 were biult and 88mm Flak about 20000, its not about superiority, its not about the performance its about the gun, it should be in the game! That's what I am trying to say, sure it was better it was on the Tiger II and the Jagdtiger, but the other had more produced.

Dude get a clue, it was used in 1943 and after as an AA gun only as it was replaced by far more mobile (and above all, easier to conceal) Pak 75mm, more than enough to kill any allied tank at that point. Don´t shove numbers if you have zero clue about what they mean.

As for the game forget it. Maybe COH 3 will be in North Africa and then people will finally have the bloody italians to play with too. But this one? It´s over.

[Stridswombat]

Messaggio originale di Calas Typhon:

Messaggio originale di The Wombat of Combat:

Pak 43 is a superior AT gun, flak 88 is obsolete, period. Nebelwerfer is already in the game, it's called panzerwerfer. Literally a nebelwerfer on wheels. Would you idiots stop complaining about technicalities?

Pak 43 about 2000 were biult and 88mm Flak about 20000, its not about superiority, its not about the performance its about the gun, it should be in the game! That's what I am trying to say, sure it was better it was on the Tiger II and the Jagdtiger, but the other had more produced.

Ït's the same bloody gun, mate. Both are 88mm and Pak43 was devealoped as it was a more effective 88mm. End of story. You basically want 2 of the same ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ thing for zero reason. It's like asking to include a M4a1 and m4a2 sherman because "they're different hurr durr".

God, you're thick aren't you?

[ubermensch]

Messaggio originale di Calas Typhon:

They sould have made it for the Oberkommando West, istead of the same giant Pak? Would that be so difficult, like the old CoH with the Fallschirmjager.

I just wished they implemented a brace ability to the big pak gun, similar to what the Brit 17 pounder has. Mainly because 9/10 it dies by indirect before it can even be used, and ends up a waste of mp.

[Maschinengewehr]

Messaggio originale di The Wombat of Combat:

Messaggio originale di Calas Typhon:

Pak 43 about 2000 were biult and 88mm Flak about 20000, its not about superiority, its not about the performance its about the gun, it should be in the game! That's what I am trying to say, sure it was better it was on the Tiger II and the Jagdtiger, but the other had more produced.

Ït's the same bloody gun, mate. Both are 88mm and Pak43 was devealoped as it was a more effective 88mm. End of story. You basically want 2 of the same ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ thing for zero reason. It's like asking to include a M4a1 and m4a2 sherman because "they're different hurr durr".

God, you're thick aren't you?

The PaK43 was actually a larger caliber. Its the same gun used in the King Tiger.

I think the reason people want the Flak is because of auto rotate and AA. "Set and Forget" basically.

[Maschinengewehr]

Messaggio originale di ubermensch:

Messaggio originale di Calas Typhon:

They sould have made it for the Oberkommando West, istead of the same giant Pak? Would that be so difficult, like the old CoH with the Fallschirmjager.

I just wished they implemented a brace ability to the big pak gun, similar to what the Brit 17 pounder has. Mainly because 9/10 it dies by indirect before it can even be used, and ends up a waste of mp.

Sure, but make it cost fuel, take 20 pop and wallhax a vet 1 timed ability that costs muni.

[Stridswombat]

Messaggio originale di Maschinengewehr:

Messaggio originale di The Wombat of Combat:

Ït's the same bloody gun, mate. Both are 88mm and Pak43 was devealoped as it was a more effective 88mm. End of story. You basically want 2 of the same ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ thing for zero reason. It's like asking to include a M4a1 and m4a2 sherman because "they're different hurr durr".

God, you're thick aren't you?

The PaK43 was actually a larger caliber. Its the same gun used in the King Tiger.

I think the reason people want the Flak is because of auto rotate and AA. "Set and Forget" basically.

Does it really matter? They do the same thing and one is more powerful.

[CursedPanther]

Messaggio originale di Maschinengewehr:

Messaggio originale di The Wombat of Combat:

Ït's the same bloody gun, mate. Both are 88mm and Pak43 was devealoped as it was a more effective 88mm. End of story. You basically want 2 of the same ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ thing for zero reason. It's like asking to include a M4a1 and m4a2 sherman because "they're different hurr durr".

God, you're thick aren't you?

The PaK43 was actually a larger caliber. Its the same gun used in the King Tiger.

I think the reason people want the Flak is because of auto rotate and AA. "Set and Forget" basically.

The Flak41 and Pak43 both share the 88mm caliber, but Pak43 does have a longer barrel length which is better for high velocity AP rounds. The Tiger B gun is indeed of the same length as a Pak43 so they should have very similar performance.

[Maschinengewehr]

Messaggio originale di The Wombat of Combat:

Messaggio originale di Maschinengewehr:

The PaK43 was actually a larger caliber. Its the same gun used in the King Tiger.

I think the reason people want the Flak is because of auto rotate and AA. "Set and Forget" basically.

Does it really matter? They do the same thing and one is more powerful.

Not really lol.

Messaggio originale di CursedPanther:

Messaggio originale di Maschinengewehr:

The PaK43 was actually a larger caliber. Its the same gun used in the King Tiger.

I think the reason people want the Flak is because of auto rotate and AA. "Set and Forget" basically.

The Flak41 and Pak43 both share the 88mm caliber, but Pak43 does have a longer barrel length which is better for high velocity AP rounds. The Tiger B gun is indeed of the same length as a Pak43 so they should have very similar performance.

They have different caliber.

Flak 41 = 88x571mm

PaK 43 = 88x822mm

The '43 had a much heavier shell that had a higher velocity, meaning a higher kinetic energy (joules) rating.

The Flak 41 technically would be weaker than the PaK 43 if translated to CoH2 logic.

[CursedPanther]

Messaggio originale di Maschinengewehr:

They have different caliber.

Flak 41 = 88x571mm

PaK 43 = 88x822mm

I think you've mixed up something. 88mm is the caliber here, as in you can't fire a Pak40 round in there which is of 75mm. However they do fire different types of 88mm ammo like you've stated here, as they're designed for different primary roles, chamber/barrel designs and aim angles.

[Medryn]

Messaggio originale di Cpt.Knoppers:

it has been removed for a reason 43 does the same job and its the designated anti tank heavy at
stop the whining about that ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ 88mm pak i saw the same thread some days ago

The reason these people miss it is because the old Flak 88 you didnt have to face, and it would auto aim to targets in a 360 degree angle with laser accurate firing when it came to tanks

[Medryn]

Messaggio originale di CursedPanther:

Messaggio originale di Maschinengewehr:

They have different caliber.

Flak 41 = 88x571mm

PaK 43 = 88x822mm

I think you've mixed up something. 88mm is the caliber here, as in you can't fire a Pak40 round in there which is of 75mm. However they do fire different types of 88mm ammo like you've stated here, as they're designed for different primary roles, chamber/barrel designs and aim angles.

No, its much like how the 30-06 round used by the US is the same caliber but not the same size as a .30 cal or .303

[CursedPanther]

Messaggio originale di Lord Rahl:

Messaggio originale di CursedPanther:

I think you've mixed up something. 88mm is the caliber here, as in you can't fire a Pak40 round in there which is of 75mm. However they do fire different types of 88mm ammo like you've stated here, as they're designed for different primary roles, chamber/barrel designs and aim angles.

No, its much like how the 30-06 round used by the US is the same caliber but not the same size as a .30 cal or .303

No one is saying they're of the same size. Clearly Flak41 fires a different projectile than the Pak43.

Just that the Germans have been using the metric units for over a century they don't have to deal with the tiny differences of imperial unit measurements of a gun bore.

[Maschinengewehr]

Messaggio originale di CursedPanther:

Messaggio originale di Maschinengewehr:

They have different caliber.

Flak 41 = 88x571mm

PaK 43 = 88x822mm

I think you've mixed up something. 88mm is the caliber here, as in you can't fire a Pak40 round in there which is of 75mm. However they do fire different types of 88mm ammo like you've stated here, as they're designed for different primary roles, chamber/barrel designs and aim angles.

The 88mm is the length of the actual projectile, which is the same for both.

The case is much larger in the 88x822, meaning it can hold more grainage of powder. This means that when its fired, theres more force applied to the projectile and also a higher velocity. Combined with hydraulic recoil, muzzle brakes, longer barrel etc it also tends to make it more accurate.

[CursedPanther]

Messaggio originale di Maschinengewehr:

Messaggio originale di CursedPanther:

I think you've mixed up something. 88mm is the caliber here, as in you can't fire a Pak40 round in there which is of 75mm. However they do fire different types of 88mm ammo like you've stated here, as they're designed for different primary roles, chamber/barrel designs and aim angles.

The 88mm is the length of the actual projectile, which is the same for both.

The case is much larger in the 88x822, meaning it can hold more grainage of powder. This means that when its fired, theres more force applied to the projectile and also a higher velocity. Combined with hydraulic recoil, muzzle brakes, longer barrel etc it also tends to make it more accurate.

No, 88mm is the diameter of the barrel.

[DeadOptics]

Messaggio originale di Maschinengewehr:

Messaggio originale di CursedPanther:

I think you've mixed up something. 88mm is the caliber here, as in you can't fire a Pak40 round in there which is of 75mm. However they do fire different types of 88mm ammo like you've stated here, as they're designed for different primary roles, chamber/barrel designs and aim angles.

The 88mm is the length of the actual projectile, which is the same for both.

The case is much larger in the 88x822, meaning it can hold more grainage of powder. This means that when its fired, theres more force applied to the projectile and also a higher velocity. Combined with hydraulic recoil, muzzle brakes, longer barrel etc it also tends to make it more accurate.

you are mistaken 88 is the width 822 is the length caliber refrences the width https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caliber
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/8.8_cm_Pak_43 in the spec section it says caliber 88mm