realistic speed limits

[Meeeps]

I don't want to spam the nice instruction video thread with this discussion, so I start a new thread. As a car driver, I usually drive around 10% to 20% over the limit, so around 55-60 in cities, 90 outside city and around 130-140 on highways. Do Truck drivers really drive below or at least not over the speed limit? The highway limit is 80 like outside city, but I would drive around 100 there, yet I do not have a truck that powerful. :-)

[Mad Jonny]

50 or below city - 55-70 country road and 70-80 highway all in km/h

[Maiteria]

Regardless of what the speed limits are in given countries, ETS2 uses 50 for cities and 80 for highways and outside cities mostly.
As a car driver, you're breaking the law then. And you would get massive fines (or worse) for driving 20 past the speed limit in a multi-ton truck. You'll end up killing innocent people, or yourself.
Highways in Denmark are 110-130 for cars, and 80 for trucks. Many, if not all countries, have different speed limits for cars and trucks.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed_limits_by_country

[Meeeps]

yeah, I already got massive fines, I usually need to pay 1-2 fines per delivery 600-1200 €, I call it a fair penalty in the game. But you get caught everytime you go over the limit, not like in rl. So I wonder, how realistic it is for selfman truck drivers. If you are employer, you have usually no need to go over limit. But a selfman truck driver might do it, that is my question, do truck drivers in rl really always drive by law? I do for certainly not have the feeling if I drive on highways, trucks seems to be much faster then 80, also as car driver, nobody drives 120. (in CH that is)

[Maiteria]

Ninja cops and automatic speed traps follow your every move in ETS2 :D

If I was a truck driver in real life, I would stick to the law, since if you ever get pulled over, you can be sure they'll sneak a peek at your log to see if you rested, and check your speed log too.

[Meeeps]

yeah, I really would like to know what a real truck driver would do, but I don't think such people would play such game so asking it here is a bit useless, I fear.

[BUSTED]

i think they shud add civilians to make this sim more real

[paemt610_7]

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Regardless of what the speed limits are in given countries, ETS2 uses 50 for cities and 80 for highways and outside cities mostly.
As a car driver, you're breaking the law then. And you would get massive fines (or worse) for driving 20 past the speed limit in a multi-ton truck. You'll end up killing innocent people, or yourself.
Highways in Denmark are 110-130 for cars, and 80 for trucks. Many, if not all countries, have different speed limits for cars and trucks.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed_limits_by_country

Just giving general trivia: Here in the States trucks travel at the same speed as passenger vehicles with an exception to certain downgrades (down hill). If it is a significant hill or has a bend while decending or near the bottom then the trucks have their own speed limit of 20-35 mph (32-56 km/h), or lower if appropriate, while passenger vehicles may a limit of 40-55 mph (64-88 km/h). Trucks are also required to use their 4-way flashers to warn other motorists of their decreased speed. I notice in ETS2 that flashers are available to players, yet cause no reaction from the AI, nor does the AI use flashers other than in crashes.

[paemt610_7]

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yeah, I already got massive fines, I usually need to pay 1-2 fines per delivery 600-1200 €, I call it a fair penalty in the game. But you get caught everytime you go over the limit, not like in rl. So I wonder, how realistic it is for selfman truck drivers. If you are employer, you have usually no need to go over limit. But a selfman truck driver might do it, that is my question, do truck drivers in rl really always drive by law? I do for certainly not have the feeling if I drive on highways, trucks seems to be much faster then 80, also as car driver, nobody drives 120. (in CH that is)

In the States truck some drivers don't always follow the law. They have had Citizen Band radios in trucks since they were affordable, reporting the location of police, accidents, and other hazards on the road. The truck drivers would travel at a comfortable speed until they get near the area of a reported police officer / speed trap and then would drive within the law. After passing the police / speed trap they would continue driving the comfortable speed as before.
I have also known of truck drivers, and seen YouTube videos have truck drivers, having radar/laser detectors and jammers in their trucks, built in to lights and the dash board to become hidden, with a switch to turn it off when needed. It is against federal law here for a commercial vehicle to have radar/laser detectors and jammers, yet if the driver turns it off by a hidden switch while pulling over and the officer can not find the detector then the driver gets away with it. By turning it off, a dector detector won't sense it either. The truck driver could blame a car that was near him as the possessor of the detector, which in most states detectors in passenger vehicles are legal. Jammers are illegal for anyone regardless.

[Maiteria]

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Trucks are also required to use their 4-way flashers to warn other motorists of their decreased speed. I notice in ETS2 that flashers are available to players, yet cause no reaction from the AI, nor does the AI use flashers other than in crashes.

Crazy if the trucks drive the same speed as passenger cars. They'll cause way more havoc if they crash, and their braking distrance is way different, and so on.

About the flashers; Are you talking about the hazard lights? (All right/left blinking indicators turned on?) they aren't used to display a lower speed, everyone knows they are slower (if the driving instructor did the job properly :-p )

[Meeeps]

I also think, the Truck drivers in Europe do not always follow the law, I do not believe playing that game by driving always by the law is simulating reality. Also the game IMO fails completely in simulating passenger cars. You might find such stupid and slow car drivers 1 out of 100 in rl.

[Maiteria]

You don't have to drive by the law in the game - but breaking speed limits, will get you fined, as well as not obeying the resting thing.
The AI is just that, AI - they're dumb at times, and do unexpected things. But watching some Lets Plays, people usually complain about AI, even though their own driving is at fault. :P

[paemt610_7]

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Trucks are also required to use their 4-way flashers to warn other motorists of their decreased speed. I notice in ETS2 that flashers are available to players, yet cause no reaction from the AI, nor does the AI use flashers other than in crashes.

Crazy if the trucks drive the same speed as passenger cars. They'll cause way more havoc if they crash, and their braking distrance is way different, and so on.


This is in the States which is a much different world than Europe. Trucks don't have the limitations on speed unless traveling down hill. I've been 25-30 over the speed limit on Interstates and been passed by trucks. As an emergency responder, oddly truck crashes are not any worse than passenger vehicle crashes with the exception of a load leak or dump.

About the flashers; Are you talking about the hazard lights? (All right/left blinking indicators turned on?) they aren't used to display a lower speed, everyone knows they are slower (if the driving instructor did the job properly :-p )

Again trucks here travel the same speed as passenger vehicles. If a truck, bus, or larger vehicle is traveling below the speed limit their hazard lights are to be on. This is suppose to be for any vehicle, yet most passenger vehicle drivers don't know this or simply don't care to do it.

My post was in response to Maiteria statement of: Many, if not all countries, have different speed limits for cars and trucks.

[Maiteria]

Ah yeah, my post doesn't really take into account the United States, my "many, if not all counties", I was thinking just Europe, since it's Euro Truck Simulator. I cannot wait for them to release American Truck Simulator though! :-)

[paemt610_7]

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You don't have to drive by the law in the game - but breaking speed limits, will get you fined, as well as not obeying the resting thing.
The AI is just that, AI - they're dumb at times, and do unexpected things. But watching some Lets Plays, people usually complain about AI, even though their own driving is at fault. :P

In reality you don't have to do anything by law, the problem is getting caught. Do you eat while driving? Drink water or Cola? How about wireless phone calls or radio station changing? This can be considered distracted driving because your mind is on driving AND the other action, not just driving. Most places it is illegal yet everyone does it. Watching traffic cameras on video I see people in many countries not following the basic of rules such as not leaving the scene of a crash no matter how minor. Everyone breaks the law at some point, sometimes unintentionally and at times without realizing it.

[Maiteria]

And many times, you'll find that people that does those things, cause accidents, sometimes with death to follow. Many times, it's people speeding, or being distracted, that cause accidents. People that are impatient, and what not. - But we're getting a bit off topic with a talk about obeying the law or not. :-)
The problem isn't getting caught, the problem is breaking the law in the first place, risking your own and fellow drivers lives. :-)