Swift Transportation or similar cooperation in Europe?

[Erik Taurus]

I saw this for ATS and I'm curious if a similar effort is under way in Europe

[Wolfgang]

Max (SCS dev) a écrit :

Nobody can tell you anything about it. Those who know aren't allowed to talk and those who talk know nothing.

[Erik Taurus]

Not sure where you found that, I searched for "Swift transportation" and found nothing.

[Underscore_101_3]

I hope not :-)

[Oll07]

In ATS there are real banners in game from real companies in US inviting players to get behind the wheel of a real truck and the licens are paid py the company.
i would really like this to come to ETS too with EU companys doing the same like in the US, nut im sure it never gonna happen despite shortage of truckers everywhere.
so those who can not afford the licens by themselves, will drive on in ETS and ATS

[MirkoC407]

The thing is, Swift and Schneider are "US American" companies. No matter if I live in OR, CO, IL, PA or GA - there is always one of their depots a few miles from my front door.
There however is not any "EU" company as such. There are Polish, Hungarian, Bulgarian, etc. companies. So such a campaign would have close to no impact because it would attact only a minority of the players.

[Erik Taurus]

Yes it make sense, but there are companies operating throughout Europe too, like DHL and DB Schenker.
Even a national effort could draw attention.
In Sweden there is an effort going on but there are some criteria you have to fulfill before applying like long time unemployment and others.
Perhaps there could be an initiative from the EU but that's way too much politics...

[Oll07]

For sure for that are in the EU, all that stops behind the wall of politics and law.
but it should be easyer to get the licens, at least easyer for those that are fulfilling certain criterias.
i think that there would be no problems with truck driver shortage if they would allow the companies to teach the new drivers themselves after witch the state issues a licens.
There are some things to think through but you get the picture

[Erik Taurus]

Yes I'm aware of the obstacles, but somehow SCS managed to get the cooperation with Swift and Schneider. Not sure how law would be an issue. I'm not arguing with you I was merely curious to know and a wish that SCS perhaps should do something similar in Europe.
Trying to be positive about something isn't easy.

[MirkoC407]

Erik Taurus a écrit :

Yes it make sense, but there are companies operating throughout Europe too, like DHL and DB Schenker.

Not really - these companies have close to no own trucks. I have a friend driving for "GLS" - technically he is driving for a company with a single depot in Hannover. All these companies are running a franchise system in their inter-depot transfers.

[Oll07]

No problem, im just sayng not arguing , im from EU and i know that even if SCS gets to co operate with some EU trucking company, it wont work out beacause of the laws in EU, unless EU makes some changes in the law.
im 100% for for it that the EU would allow the same system with ETS they get in the US with ATS

[Underscore_101_3]

Which EU laws are preventing this?
The current EU idea is about people being able to work (and move to) anywhere inside the EU and align as much as possible.

We have $%^& code95 no thanks to the EU for example.

[MirkoC407]

Trouble in the EU, which right now is tackled by politics with according laws, is the very different cost to pay for the driver and register a truck. Usually you are free to offer any service within the EU from anywhere in the EU. However, as payments in Romania or Bulgaria are a fraction of France, Germany or Scandinavia.
So it is fine to work and move to anywhere in the EU. What is restricted by law is right now to live and work nominally in one of those cheap to operate from countries and offer transport services within in the expensive ones. SImilar to US / Canada you are only allowed to transport goods to or from your home country. Then at least you can do a restricted number of transports within or between other EU states before you (technically only your truck, not you as the workforce) have to return home with a load.
Other things are that it is not allowed anymore to make your weekly reset in the truck cab - some rest areas looked like campsites on the weekend. I spare you the details what they looked like when sanitation failed during the weekend.

The attempt is to finally make sure that payments for drivers do not depend on where they are employed but where they actually working. So it is not cheaper to employ a Bulgarian registered in Bulgaria but driving in Germany, than it would be to employ a German from the beginning.

If the freedom of services was applied on the trucking industry as on others, we would probably have no Scandinavian, Dutch, German, etc. transport companies anymore. They would all be Bulgarian, Romanian, and Lithuanian, right now the cheapest to employ drivers and operate trucks from.
Even Waberer's (Europe's largest trucking company and originating from once the cheap country of Hungary) has moved operations to Romania recently, because Hungarian drivers, while still earning pocket money compared to Germans, Swedes or Dutch, have become "too expensive".

[Underscore_101_3]

idk if what I'm about to bring up is an EU wide law, or local, neither do I know the exact circumstances, but tmk foreign trucking companies are allowed a number of drives inside at least NL, for example, if Waberers has a load for Rotterdam, they are allowed to pick up another load in NL to another place in NL several times.

Or for example (but not entirely the same :-) there's a german logitics company that drives for VW, and they drop off fust in NL and pick up multiple loads in NL back to VW.

[dj]

Would perhaps be easier if companies were allowed to issue CDL type licenses like american companies can, a few weeks of training and straight onto the road.

At least here, you need to go through proper driving school to get CE (tractor/semi + trailer) plus YSK (CDL equivalent, at least 140 hours additional training to be a commercial driver) to be able to work as a fully fledged driver. Unless straight out of school as a teen and choosing it as a main trade, it cost 10k+ USD. Never heard of a single trucking company offering it, even as trade for lock-in for N amount of years afterwards. Heard of bus companies doing it though...

Overall, I just think it's a lot easier for american companies to get new fresh drivers. Low risk, less time.

[MirkoC407]

Underscore_101_3 a écrit :

idk if what I'm about to bring up is an EU wide law, or local, neither do I know the exact circumstances, but tmk foreign trucking companies are allowed a number of drives inside at least NL, for example, if Waberers has a load for Rotterdam, they are allowed to pick up another load in NL to another place in NL several times.

That's exactly what I wrote. Not sure how many trips, 5 or so which one could already consider too many, especially in such a small country like The Netherlands. It is all just self-researched for my game fiction use, so I won't get a penalty when I get it wrong, just probably a reader comment correcting me.

Or for example (but not entirely the same :-) there's a german logitics company that drives for VW, and they drop off fust in NL and pick up multiple loads in NL back to VW.

Indeed, that is a home country (Germany) to foreign country (The Netherlands). You can do that as often as you want because one end of the drive is in your home country. That is all you need. The other end can be where ever you want. Part of full trailer load does not matter, as long as each consignment they pick up ends in Germany.

dj a écrit :

Would perhaps be easier if companies were allowed to issue CDL type licenses like american companies can, a few weeks of training and straight onto the road.

At least here, you need to go through proper driving school to get CE (tractor/semi + trailer) plus YSK (CDL equivalent, at least 140 hours additional training to be a commercial driver) to be able to work as a fully fledged driver. Unless straight out of school as a teen and choosing it as a main trade, it cost 10k+ USD. Never heard of a single trucking company offering it, even as trade for lock-in for N amount of years afterwards. Heard of bus companies doing it though...

Overall, I just think it's a lot easier for american companies to get new fresh drivers. Low risk, less time.

Please not. I'm glad that here you need a substantial training for your CE license before you get to move 40 or more (depending on the country) tons of vehicle.
Parking a truck backwards in a large open place between some cones, to get the CDL and then driving for one week with another guy in the same truck who is on the job for 4 weeks now to know how it is done (C.R. England is said to handle driver training like this) is not really something that would make me feel safe in my tiny car between those monsters with drivers not able to handle them in critical conditions.