1.17: Broken steering, no brakes, and less engine power

[SteelRodent]

Going from home to the shop to fix the wheels after the patch, I noticed immediately that my truck seemed to have no brakes anymore when I crashed into the traffic right outside the garage. Next it was incredibly hard to make it around the corners without taking out all the street signs.

I've had to crank up the braking intensity and steering sensitivity quite significantly to even make it out of town (two settings I have never had to touch since the game was released years ago), but it still acts like the steering wheel isn't attached to the front wheels, or the maximum (minimum?) steering angle is set way too high (can't find any way to change that either).

The truck just won't turn enough to follow the curves on the road. It's bad enough on the motorway, where getting around the cloverleafs without scrapes is no longer possible, but going down windy country roads it's impossible to follow the lane or avoid all the street signs. Crashed my truck into another for 70% damage (something I've also never managed before in ETS2 or even 1), simply because the steering is so utterly broken that I can't make the truck turn enough to go around sharp turns even at half the speed limit. Considering it used to be possible go 90 on most these roads without hitting anything, this is pretty bad.

Going uphill (before the last crash), my 730 hp Scania 6x4 also seem to only run on half the cylinders, because it drops speed like never before (with a 13 T load). Used to be able to pass other trucks uphill in the German alps (going from Kiel to Torino), but now even at full throttle it struggles to make 30 kph.

[bukkie661]

Soy Sorry eredeti hozzászólása:

I think the general concern is not that the physics changed, but whether the changes are working properly and as intended, or if they are bugged.

Indeed. However, I can't replicate the concerns regarding the DAF Euro 6. I've just done a few lenghty runs with the tractor using different chassis. The chassis''behave as expected and aprt from the new delay and general sluggishness (Trucks are no longer go-karts! Yay!), I couldn't get the extreme difficulties described. That doesn't mean that the problems don't exist, but it does beg the question if SCS is responsible for it or not.
I lean towards the problems being on the user's end; PC configuration, mods used, still driving on an account that had mods removed or added, outdated mods still in effect, control-method and relative usage-history of those control-methods.

[UrsidaeClay]

Having driven around quite a bit more, this is what I've noticed. Braking for me is pretty much unchanged, that is to say I'm not rear-ending traffic or rolling on through intersections. Gear changes seem to be fine, no laggy changes or stuttering while finding a correct gear.

Steering though is heavier, but only at speed while making a sharp turn. Tight bends on the motorway at speed are unaffected, but turning at a light (ie. 45° turn, or a complete 180 for that matter) does require slower speeds. I don't see this as a hindrance, if anything it's more realistic as I shouldn't be able to make such turns at 35+MPH.

I haven't driven other trucks and chassis setups yet, but as far as my Mercedes 4x2 goes all seems well.

[bukkie661]

UrsidaeClay eredeti hozzászólása:

Having driven around quite a bit more, this is what I've noticed. Braking for me is pretty much unchanged, that is to say I'm not rear-ending traffic or rolling on through intersections. Gear changes seem to be fine, no laggy changes or stuttering while finding a correct gear.

Steering though is heavier, but only at speed while making a sharp turn. Tight bends on the motorway at speed are unaffected, but turning at a light (ie. 45° turn, or a complete 180 for that matter) does require slower speeds. I don't see this as a hindrance, if anything it's more realistic as I shouldn't be able to make such turns at 35+MPH.

I haven't driven other trucks and chassis setups yet, but as far as my Mercedes 4x2 goes all seems well.

Your findings compare to mine.

[TheHuskyGT]

Johnny Cage PL eredeti hozzászólása:

As they "SCS" posted on their blog, the game engine was slighty edited eg. physics, I'm using G27 also and no problems at all. Automatic gearbox in real life also responds after a "while", well for example in city buses. Simple fix, adjust your brake power and steering senstivy or buy a proper controller, I can't image playing Rfactor on keyboard, so why play ETS2 with keyboard?

This right here!

I really suggest that you invest in a wheel. Try a G27; it works beautifully with this game. I have one and I can't even begin to describe how much fun and beautiful it is to play this game with it. That, or try an Xbox controller. Keyboard just doesn't cut it.

Another thing I might suggest, if you don't want to spend some bucks, is set the steering to the mouse and decrease the sensitivity as much as you can. Makes it much more easier.

[bukkie661]

thehuskygt eredeti hozzászólása:

Johnny Cage PL eredeti hozzászólása:

As they "SCS" posted on their blog, the game engine was slighty edited eg. physics, I'm using G27 also and no problems at all. Automatic gearbox in real life also responds after a "while", well for example in city buses. Simple fix, adjust your brake power and steering senstivy or buy a proper controller, I can't image playing Rfactor on keyboard, so why play ETS2 with keyboard?

This right here!

I really suggest that you invest in a wheel. Try a G27; it works beautifully with this game. I have one and I can't even begin to describe how much fun and beautiful it is to play this game with it. That, or try an Xbox controller. Keyboard just doesn't cut it.

Another thing I might suggest, if you don't want to spend some bucks, is set the steering to the mouse and decrease the sensitivity as much as you can. Makes it much more easier.

The second best option to a G27 is a driving force GT wheel, also from Logitech. Doesn't have clutch/H-shifting, but it is also about €125 cheaper. Lots more buttons on the wheel of the DFGT too. Practically everything needed for the tractor that required a key-stroke is a button-press on my wheel.

Anyway, a steeringwheel is 100% quality of life for playing ETS2, even more so if you're serious about it.

[kph002]

I understand people want things a certain way for realism, but why not leave the keyboard steering/braking responses as is for those of us who don't have space for a wheel/pedal setup? ETS appeals to a wide base of players, not just the sim crowd.

[TheHuskyGT]

Merdakah eredeti hozzászólása:

thehuskygt eredeti hozzászólása:

This right here!

I really suggest that you invest in a wheel. Try a G27; it works beautifully with this game. I have one and I can't even begin to describe how much fun and beautiful it is to play this game with it. That, or try an Xbox controller. Keyboard just doesn't cut it.

Another thing I might suggest, if you don't want to spend some bucks, is set the steering to the mouse and decrease the sensitivity as much as you can. Makes it much more easier.

The second best option to a G27 is a driving force GT wheel, also from Logitech. Doesn't have clutch/H-shifting, but it is also about €125 cheaper. Lots more buttons on the wheel of the DFGT too. Practically everything needed for the tractor that required a key-stroke is a button-press on my wheel.

Anyway, a steeringwheel is 100% quality of life for playing ETS2, even more so if you're serious about it.

My opinion is that if going for a wheel, there is no substitute for the G27 because of the clutch and H-pattern shifter. The DFGT, although a great wheel, simply would be a waste of money since you're getting just half the experience. The G27 is also the cheapest wheel with this kind of setup. If you lurk around Amazon, you might find it on sale for $199 every now and then, brand new. I got mine for around $250 with One Day shipping and all (I do have Amazon Prime though). Normally it's $299 without shipping.

kph002 eredeti hozzászólása:

I understand people want things a certain way for realism, but why not leave the keyboard steering/braking responses as is for those of us who don't have space for a wheel/pedal setup? ETS appeals to a wide base of players, not just the sim crowd.

Well, to tell you the truth, I have to plug/unplug everything every time I play ETS2, so I would'nt consider myself having extra dedicated space for it. I'm also not really a hard core sim player. I just wanted to take the best out of ETS2, and there is no better way than to do it without a wheel.

The game is playable without a wheel, as I did play it a few hours like this after I purchase it, but it's just very damn tricky. Again, using the keys for steering is probably the worst way to play the game. With the mouse, it's much better and easier, although it still requires a little bit of a learning curve.

[Forced2Finish]

You guys must be playing a different game because I have had no issues at all.. play the game fine everyday with G27 .. haven't noticed any of these issues at all.

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[[ST-R] Solutech [ST]]

I have 380 hours driving on ETS2 . The reason scs changed the keyboard is because a lot of people do not have wheels or dislike using them (each to their own its my G27 and you'll prise ot out of my cold dead fingers) and they wanted the key presses to respond like this as digital braking and twitch jerk steering just didnt give what most people wanted which is ultimately a realistic sense of driving a truck which is what SCS have wanted from day one .

This is why they update to improve . Sadly like any changes they are going to upset a lot of people while really pleasing a lot of people . I have only really noticed with this patch the amount of insane negativity some people have towards something thats supposed to be fun .

Going to pluck a figure from the ether but Im guessing a good few thousand of us tested 1.17 and reported bugs and gave suggestions . At no point in any of the 1.17 public patch run did any of these problems happen to me . Out of the gates it was drop dead awesome . I even spent a few hours today testing the E6 that people claim is now undrivable . I did make it undrivable by trying to haul a 93 tonne trailer . 10mph on a 720hp engine redlined in 4th .

Driven sanely with a 43 Tonne load and its the same great drive it always was albeit after you adjust for the new physics remembering that the trailers now push,pull and slap you around (just like in RL so Im informed)

What is bent out of shape is the gokart mentality . Its an HGV a Heavy Goods Vehicle . You can lob furry curtains and as many go faster stripes on it as you want but it will not change the fact its an HGV and not a race car . Run with no trailer and yes it will accelerate like a rocket right upto the point you slam headfirst into a wall because you cannae change the laws of physics Jim and sure as eggs is eggs at 100mph an HGV is going to carry on pretty much straight until it creams something . Same way a Ferrari will not take a hairpin at 200mph .

Velocity + Angle of turn - Traction = Bent metal and brown trousers .

Your brakes and steering now respond a little slower and are more measured in how they gradually apply . Your trailer now wants to carry on regardless (you know it has its own seperate brakes right) Slow down sooner and start your turns earlier to compensate . Drive like a trucker .

[ptr1ck]

My favorite Majestic Low Roof 6x4 now drives like total ♥♥♥♥ thanks to this update. Not all 6x4s seem affected. Some 6x2s seem affected. I really hope they look into this.

[[ST-R] Solutech [ST]]

Never driven one but shall try it if you want , How heavy a load and what chassis config mid,tag and what engine size ?

[[ST-R] Solutech [ST]]

Ive just compared both sets of chassis defs and main physics.sii for 1.16 and 1.17 Physics.sii is identical . Merc 6x4 chassis also identical .

So where the truck has changed is beyond my understanding of the files .

[room217au]

ST-R Solutech ST eredeti hozzászólása:

Never driven one but shall try it if you want , How heavy a load and what chassis config mid,tag and what engine size ?

I see your pictures in the DAF. I've never bothered driving one (because in my country they're sandcrabs) but I had cause to yesterday because I couldn't see what all the fuss was about with the steering.
So I bought a DAF Euro 6, fitted 6x4 chassis in upgrade shop, drove around town. No problems. Hooked up a 23t load and when accelerating, the steering was dreadful. Going up an onramp to the motorway I had the wheel turned a full 180 deg right, and the truck was turning about 5deg.
Most bizarre.
This did not occur in that truck with the 4x2 chassis config.
As far as I can tell, the DAF XF is the only truck that does this.

[room217au]

ST-R Solutech ST eredeti hozzászólása:

Ive just compared both sets of chassis defs and main physics.sii for 1.16 and 1.17 Physics.sii is identical . Merc 6x4 chassis also identical .

So where the truck has changed is beyond my understanding of the files .

physics.sii is global. Only the DAF has seemed to fallen over. I don't know what's causing it.
edit: I did the file comparison thing last night. Same result as you.

[[ST-R] Solutech [ST]]

I have driven the Euro6 all day today on three different runs from 9T to 43T and it steers perfectly normally for me . Just the same as it has from the release of the Euro6 a few patches back .

Im running Ohahas E6 V1.29 . Maybe Ohaha put some special sauce in the chassis I'll compare it with stock defs .