What's the law on turning right on a red stop light?

[City Builder]

Hi,

Last time that I played ETS2, I was told that it was legal (as it is in the U.S.) that when you come to a full stop on the line at a red light you may then proceed to turn right (while the light is still red) as long as it's safe to do so and you made a complete stop before the line. But back then the game used to fine me for this action.

I asked a live streamer 2 nights ago if the game is still doing this and everybody (including the streamer & chat participants) chimed in and said this "issue was fixed" in one of the updates.

However, this morning I was playing it and tried it 3 times and all three times I was fined even though I came to a stop on the line with a red light and when it was safe I turned right.

So, perhaps I was misinformed and it's illegal to turn right on a red light even if you have come to a full stop on the line in the EU countries? Or my game is simply whacked or they never really put out an update to "fix" what many have said the game shouldn't be doing (fining for turning right on a red light after coming to a complete stop).

Thanks

[Gh3ngis]

Definitely illegal :-P I do prefer the American way though :-)

[[CG]strike4ce]

In England it is illegal to pass a red light. I didn't realise anywhere actually allowed the passing of a Red light.

[City Builder]

Thanks for the replies. Then obviously it's not a bug so I'll just have to start waiting at the red lights or take the fines.

Much appreciated.

[Xyzan]

In Poland it is illegal to cross red light, however you have green arrows next to the lights. When there is red light, and green arrow, then you should stop, then you can turn right if it is safe. However, there are no green arrows in ETS :)

[BCS]

In Skandinavian red light means stop, no matter what.

[Wolfpig]

Originally posted by xyzan:

In Poland it is illegal to cross red light, however you have green arrows next to the lights. When there is red light, and green arrow, then you should stop, then you can turn right if it is safe.

It gave such signs in Germany too (mostly in the eastern part) but as far as i know they gradually got removed/changed with traffic lights for that.
No idea if in some cities still are those signs or not.

[Lone Wolf]

In Canada you can turn right on a red light, only after you come to a full stop or it is posted that you can not turn right on the red light.

[AH-64D Apache]

Yeah, the right turn on red is definitely a North American only thing. It's been many years since I drove in EU but I don't recall a single country that allowed this. As others have pointed out though, most countries had additional lights to indicate when certain turns were allowed; ETS only has the standard red/yellow/green stop lights. There are even some really complicated stop lights with up to 5 lights in a single column cluster.

[Tom S]

"Right on Red', America's greatest contribution to mankind.

[City Builder]

Kind of funny that in some EU countries they apparently put up a sign to indicate when it's okay to turn right on the red, but in the U.S. we have to put up signs to tell people when it's NOT okay to turn right on red.

[MaZtinggg]

lol,

[Tark]

Plus you can do Left on Red as long as you are on a one way street turning left onto another one way street. Go figure.

[Lone Wolf]

Originally posted by Tark:

Plus you can do Left on Red as long as you are on a one way street turning left onto another one way street. Go figure.

Yes you can do that here in Canada as well.

[Nono54Fr]

Originally posted by City Builder:

Kind of funny that in some EU countries they apparently put up a sign to indicate when it's okay to turn right on the red, but in the U.S. we have to put up signs to tell people when it's NOT okay to turn right on red.

What is the most simple / logical thing to do ? To be forbidden without a doubt to do something unless it says you can (EU style) or to eventually might be able to do something under some specifics circumstances and cares unless it is forbidden (US style) ?

[City Builder]

I know what you're getting at but I have to say that if I have to choose I'd still choose the way that the U.S. does it as I know it's allowed in all circumstances unless there is a sign to prohibit me from doing so, just seems to make sense to me growing up in the U.S.

It's similar to U turns in the U.S. I'm allowed to make a U turn as long as there is not a sign telling me to not make a U turn.

My guess is that it's less expensive that they would only need to put up signs in the U.S. for prohibiting actions since the vast majority of the time an action is allowed unless there is a sign to prohibit it.

No U turns
No turn on red
No walking on grass
No dogs on beach
etc.etc.

Edit: Actually, I think you've attempted to tilt things to try to make a point. In the U.S. I know that I AM always allowed to make a right turn on red, except in specific circumstances where a sign is placed to tell me I'm prohibited from doing so.

It's quite similar to your explanation of EU style where it too could be twisted to sound like you've done to the U.S. style

Actually they are both the same if I think about it long enough. In EU I am never allowed to do it unless told that I can, in the U.S. I am always allowed to do it unless told that I can't. No difference really.