Too Many Friggin' Updates and not the size advertised.

[thegazbeard]

When is 1.71MB not 1.71MB - the advertised size of today's update actually turned into a 10.38GB download.

Way to go SCS - do you hold shares in the SSD manufacurers? You do realise that SSD drives have only 100,000 read/write cycles between silicon failures, don't you?

And today's update was to add a new design of wheel rims - that's it, that's the only content listed.

For God's Sake - save them up and release beigger less frequent patched. 10.38 GIGABYTE to add a new wheel rim design - I guess none of you were around when the original Combat Flight Sims shipped on two or three 1.44MB floppy disks?

Whatever happened to concise coding? Or do universities now only teach bloatware programming?

[thegazbeard]

p.s. That makes 11 (ELEVEN) single-subject updates this month (September) alone.

Is there any development discipline exercised at your offices?

[garyh2462]

The update was only 1.71mb. What it is telling you, is it is updating 10.38gb of your game files. It is a mistake people often make. The updates are needed to make sure the game remains stable. Something very few game devs do. I would be grateful rather than cynical.

[Silverbiker]

HeHe good ole HDD's.
I think I have had only one fail in 30 yrs.
Only really had to change them when SATA came in.
PC takes 2mins to boot up and that is OK for me.

[Wolfgang]

That is the patched size, not the update size. Also, a cycle is the FULL SSD written AND erased. So for a 1TB SSD you need to write 100,000 TB on it and erase it. You know that ain't happening before your SSD fails due to other stuff or you replace it anyway for a bigger one.

I have yet to have a single SSD fail on me.

[madman]

Originally posted by thegazbeard:

When is 1.71MB not 1.71MB - the advertised size of today's update actually turned into a 10.38GB download.

This 1.71 MB is patches definition, and you only download in that size. These patches will reconstruct and rebuild entire game files. Benefit: reduce internet bandwidth and traffics. Drawback: excessive storage access locally in user's machine.

Originally posted by thegazbeard:

Way to go SCS - do you hold shares in the SSD manufacurers? You do realise that SSD drives have only 100,000 read/write cycles between silicon failures, don't you?

You can suggest it on SCS official forum. Interesting to see if it is approved and later will be lot of posts here from people with slower internet complaining about 4 GB download only for small minor update.

Convenient gaming is expensive these days. If you can't accept for storage shortage and excessive usages, configure Steam to store your installed game collections in the HDD.

[Arran Chace]

Originally posted by thegazbeard:

When is 1.71MB not 1.71MB - the advertised size of today's update actually turned into a 10.38GB download.

Way to go SCS - do you hold shares in the SSD manufacurers? You do realise that SSD drives have only 100,000 read/write cycles between silicon failures, don't you?

And today's update was to add a new design of wheel rims - that's it, that's the only content listed.

For God's Sake - save them up and release beigger less frequent patched. 10.38 GIGABYTE to add a new wheel rim design - I guess none of you were around when the original Combat Flight Sims shipped on two or three 1.44MB floppy disks?

Whatever happened to concise coding? Or do universities now only teach bloatware programming?

The Average lifespan in consumer hardware with Harddrives is about 5 years, for average usage with SSD's with 100.000 Write/Cycles is estimated about 7 years.

With both Mediums there are enough cases known that they outlived that time for double or triple that amount of time, but on the other end of the spectrum enough cases they lived way shorter as the estimated life cycle.

Also the Tech is getting much more common now, production of SSD's get way more efficient and get better design, so over time life expectancy is increasing, just like HDD's did.
First HDD's i had where pretty flimsy and fragile, often had many failures and where not trustworthy like modern drives.. Over time they game better and better.
You cannot compare first gen SSD's with current 5th gen's, at least if you buy a quality SSD's and not some cheat "to good to be true" of a price SSD.

[Lord Haart]

It’s worth noting that sometimes updates include more than just the visible changes. There might be underlying improvements or fixes that aren’t immediately obvious but are necessary for the game’s performance and stability. It’s not ideal, but it’s part of the process of maintaining and improving complex software. Instead of focusing on the frustration, maybe we can look at it as a necessary evil to keep our games running smoothly.

As for the SSD read/write cycles, it’s true that they have a limited lifespan, but modern SSDs are designed to handle a lot more than we often give them credit for. While it’s good to be mindful of their limits, a few extra updates here and there aren’t likely to cause immediate issues. And who knows, maybe the developers will take feedback like yours into account and work on optimizing future updates to be more concise and less frequent.

In the meantime, let’s try to focus on the positives and enjoy the game. After all, gaming is supposed to be fun and a way to unwind. Staying calm and not letting these updates get under our skin can help us keep that enjoyment alive. Easy does it fella.

[Qrazy]

It's fascinating after all this time that people still don't know how Steam updates work.

[Wolfgang]

OP, let's just assume you have this SSD:
https://www.samsung.com/de/memory-storage/nvme-ssd/980-pro-pcle-4-0-nvme-m-2-ssd-1tb-mz-v8p1t0bw/#specs
Samsung gives a warrnaty of 1,500TB written. We assume you get daily updates of 20GB from this game. How many years do you need these daily updates in order to be out of warranty just by that?
1,500,000GB/20GB = 75,000
75,000/365 =205.48 years
You would need over 200 years of daily updates to be out of the warranty for written data. You are already out of warranty after 5 years. But neither you nor I will be alive long enough for it to die due to written data.
That should tell you how reliable SSDs are. Unless you use them for datacenter applications, use SSDs. They are faster and insanely durable.

[hackintoshchap]

Originally posted by thegazbeard:

When is 1.71MB not 1.71MB - the advertised size of today's update actually turned into a 10.38GB download.

Way to go SCS - do you hold shares in the SSD manufacurers? You do realise that SSD drives have only 100,000 read/write cycles between silicon failures, don't you?

And today's update was to add a new design of wheel rims - that's it, that's the only content listed.

For God's Sake - save them up and release beigger less frequent patched. 10.38 GIGABYTE to add a new wheel rim design - I guess none of you were around when the original Combat Flight Sims shipped on two or three 1.44MB floppy disks?

Whatever happened to concise coding? Or do universities now only teach bloatware programming?

The download was 1.71MB, this was incorperated into a 10.38GB of files - likely just the main game file. The total size of ETS 2 is approx 29GB.

I don't know why you would claim that 10.38GB is for a single wheel design, when the complete game with all DLC is under 30GB.

I don't see why if a developer wants to sprinkle out new trucks and trailers over several updates, then why not, these are tiny updates.

I am one of many who were playing games that came on cassette, decades before Sony created the floppy disk. I had a friend that had a second hand Atari PONG in the late seventies. There was a time when games got replaced by new games rather than adding more content and updating the original.

[Capt. Carrot]

The simple solution is DON'T install games to an SSD unless it is MANDATORY to do so.

I have an SSD PURELY for my operating system and then all my games are installed to a HDD

[Qrazy]

Originally posted by Capt. Carrot:

The simple solution is DON'T install games to an SSD unless it is MANDATORY to do so.

I have an SSD PURELY for my operating system and then all my games are installed to a HDD

Yeah I'm gonna go ahead and ignore this advise.

[Nuclear1980]

Originally posted by thegazbeard:

When is 1.71MB not 1.71MB - the advertised size of today's update actually turned into a 10.38GB download.

Way to go SCS - do you hold shares in the SSD manufacurers? You do realise that SSD drives have only 100,000 read/write cycles between silicon failures, don't you?

And today's update was to add a new design of wheel rims - that's it, that's the only content listed.

For God's Sake - save them up and release beigger less frequent patched. 10.38 GIGABYTE to add a new wheel rim design - I guess none of you were around when the original Combat Flight Sims shipped on two or three 1.44MB floppy disks?

Whatever happened to concise coding? Or do universities now only teach bloatware programming?

You are twisting over a file size? I have three SSDs (2 TB each)so I don't have to lose sleep over file sizes. Call it an investment. Maybe time for you to upgrade?

[mojo_musica]

If I was in a generous mood, I would give this clown-farmer his reward, that was an outstandingly hilarious and ignorant post.
One minute of research would have revealed answers to all his points, but he decided to entertain us and give us a good laugh instead.
Everyone was surprisingly patient and polite in their replies , I'm having to restrain myself from giving him the full "Fergie Hairdryer" treatment (for British football fans, obvs).
I hope he appreciates the advice and information given. In IT, if a component is going to fail, it'll be in the first couple of weeks or months. If it lasts that long, it will be OK for the full MTBF and (usually) well beyond. Remember, a MTBF number means an average time span before failure, it could fail in one day, or last 10 years, any component, at any price.

For OP: you won't get any sympathy or deserve awards today, sorry.
If you have questions, please use the forum search on here and on the SCS forum, and read the SCS blogs and announcements to keep up with current information. It will save you a lot of future embarrassment.

If you'd politely asked about how downloads through Steam work and if SSD and NVme drives were reliable, instead of ranting and raving, you would have got helpful friendly advice and information, no problem.
We only see what is written in your post, there is nothing else for us to go on, no subtlety, no facial expression, no background context, just the text. Remember that and life will be a lot easier on here.

[Dominic]

Just chiming in with two things.

1. Only 1.7MB was downloaded, 10GB was updated (unpack and re-write on disk)

2. The level of misinformation some people have on SSD's is stunning and based on information that is more than a decade old and should be updated.
To that end please see the quoted post from Wolfgang which includes actual information about SSD write durability.

Originally posted by Wolfgang:

OP, let's just assume you have this SSD:
https://www.samsung.com/de/memory-storage/nvme-ssd/980-pro-pcle-4-0-nvme-m-2-ssd-1tb-mz-v8p1t0bw/#specs
Samsung gives a warrnaty of 1,500TB written. We assume you get daily updates of 20GB from this game. How many years do you need these daily updates in order to be out of warranty just by that?
1,500,000GB/20GB = 75,000
75,000/365 =205.48 years
You would need over 200 years of daily updates to be out of the warranty for written data. You are already out of warranty after 5 years. But neither you nor I will be alive long enough for it to die due to written data.
That should tell you how reliable SSDs are. Unless you use them for datacenter applications, use SSDs. They are faster and insanely durable.

Have a great day Fellow Truckers :-)