Paid Mods

[x-the-Andy-x]

I was thinking of buying one of the paid mods from http://hd-truck.com/ anyone who has purchased them and are they value for money etc etc. yes yes i know you can them free from certain sites but would like to reward the modders with a little money. IF and only if they are worth the money

[room217au]

Publicado originalmente por joker1231978:

Those guys have not obtained the right to SELL models that bear the name Kenworth much less the other brands

TurboSquid acquire the rights to create models of truck brands.
RTA (and whoever else wants to) pays upwards of $350 for the base model from TurboSquid.
The licence acquired by RTA in their agreement with TurboSquid allows them to sell the work they create with the models.
Interestingly enough, RTA aren't allowed to give away those works. That's bizarre.

[SmilesLikeJoker]

Publicado originalmente por room217au:

Publicado originalmente por joker1231978:

Those guys have not obtained the right to SELL models that bear the name Kenworth much less the other brands

TurboSquid acquire the rights to create models of truck brands.
RTA (and whoever else wants to) pays upwards of $350 for the base model from TurboSquid.
The licence acquired by RTA in their agreement with TurboSquid allows them to sell the work they create with the models.
Interestingly enough, RTA aren't allowed to give away those works. That's bizarre.

Sooo.... TurboSquid obtained rights from PACCAR, which is a US-based company, to use the Kenworth name and various logos in the creation of models to use in ETS2 which is owned by SCS which fought tooth and nail to get PACCAR to allow them to officially use them in ATS? Let's not forget that PACCAR authroized different models to SCS. Right...... And I'm sure that they also obtained the rights to use the name and logos of MAN, DAF, Volvo, and Mercede Benz.

A model is just a model until you add stuff to it. Do you think that TurboSquid has permission to authroize the use of those name brands? If that's the case, SCS should have just went to TurboSquid to get permission to add trucks to the game. Come on buddy.....

I'm not talking about a model. I'm talking about what they put on the models.

[Charlie Kelly]

Publicado originalmente por room217au:

I have the Kenworth T908 and Kenworth K200. Mainly because they don't exist anywhere in the 'free market', if you will. I also plan on buying the Mack Superliner and the Western Star.

The quality of the appearance of the trucks from Oleg and the RTA mob is exceptional. They are absolutely beautiful trucks. The standard truck model (truck.pmg) from SCS is somewhere between 11mb and 18mb (from memory). The T908 truck model is over 90mb. This is because of the many MANY more polygons involved. The fuel tanks alone on the 908 are 12mb.

In order to get the full benefit from these RTA trucks, especially the T908, you really need a beefy PC. If you have, say, a 3ghz dual-core CPU, 4gb RAM (like I do), then you are going to strike problems when in Scandinavia. The game will crash on quit.
Also when driving the 908 for extended periods - let's say a 2000km job - then at some point the game will crash with the error "can't find available memory block".

This simply means the game engine, which uses 20mb "blocks" to load truck models, couldn't find 5 of them to load the T908. This will most probably happen when changing activities. eg. visiting a repair shop, saving your game, etc. Anything that requires the game to 'switch out' of driving mode and back to the home screen.
I am yet to receive an answer from SCS about whether this memory block issue will go away if I have 8gb RAM.

Thanks for posting about the performance of the game with these mods, i was wondering what would happen with them.

[SmilesLikeJoker]

It's amazing what a little reading on TurboSquid's site can show you.

This tag is on EVERY Kenworth truck model they have:
"Editorial Uses Only
The intellectual property depicted in this model is not affiliated with or endorsed by the original rights holders and must be used under editorial use restrictions."

Now what is editorial use restrictions you say? Let me help you out...
"The Editorial notice is one way to alert you that certain subject matter depicted by Stock Media Products, such as a manufactured product under a brand name, may be protected by another party’s Intellectual Property rights (“Other-Party Intellectual Property”). Permitted use of Other-Party Intellectual Property in Stock Media Products is limited to news reporting in Creations of some cultural, editorial, journalistic, or otherwise newsworthy value, and includes news reporting on television and the internet. "

Lastly, what does it say about Other-Party Intellectual Property? Again...let me help you out.
"TurboSquid does not own or license any Other-Party Intellectual Property. TurboSquid does not in any way make any representations or warranties about Other-Party Intellectual Property associated with Stock Media Products. You are solely responsible for determining the need for and, if appropriate, obtaining any needed Other-Party clearance, consent, or release to use any Other-Party Intellectual Property in your Creations."

I know I know. Kicking around a dead horse.... I just wanted to to be well known that if RTA did not received written permission from PACCAR (Kenworth), Volvo, DAF, MAN, Mercedes Benza, and others they use....then they are infringing on the rights of those companies.

Just buying a model from TurboSquid means nothing. They are also violating TurboSquid's own rules as they state the only uses for them. Other than the 'Editorial Use Only' notice, they have this rule:
e. No Obscene or Unlawful Use. You may NOT use Stock Media Products for any defamatory, harassing, pornographic, obscene, or racist purpose, or to infringe any party’s Intellectual Property rights.

[room217au]

It's changed then. Good pickup.
Begs the question though.. why haven't these corporations stopped the dissemination of these files?

[SmilesLikeJoker]

Publicado originalmente por room217au:

It's changed then. Good pickup.
Begs the question though.. why haven't these corporations stopped the dissemination of these files?

Can't answer that one. Above my paygrade (military phrase) lol

[OFFICIAL]

This was a very informative discussion, i for one would never pay for a mod, that like you said may break with the very next patch, its interesting though that people are charging more than the base game just for a mod, that lets face it if you really wanted it you could make it youself giving a little bit of time to learn any of the 100's of digital model building tools out there, im not 100% (correct me if im wrong) but i think SCS uses MAYA, which is a fantastic program to learn and you can achieve some fantastic results with it from model building, physics tweaks and even full scale animations if you just reverse engineered the game (which really isnt that hard to do in SCS's case i can pull apart most of their files using either 7zip or WinRAR) and loaded up the models themselves.

As for room217au and Charlie Kelly, i found on my old system that alot of newer games will hit the 4gb ram level at a certain ammount of playing and will more often than not result in frameskipping, lower FPS or even a crash, while 4gb of ram has been the safe level for gaming since windows vista and 7, it would now seem that the new safe level is infact 8gb of ram, but theres no point in just running out and grabbing new ram thinking that will be the magic fix for all your problems, as you might be bottle necked by something else in your system (512mb - 1gb GPU) (3 or less Ghz processor) or even an outdated motherboard chipset, i learned this the hard way when i finally upgraded my gaming rig from 2010, i started by increasing my ram at first to 8gb from 4, then when it still wasnt enough went all out with 32gb, but i still had problems so i upgraded my GPU from 512 (was sufficiant for me for ages as a good game to me isnt depicted by how high i can ramp the graphics) to 1gb, then 2gb and finally SLi 4gb which is when i noticed my computers boot time started to take over 5-10 minutes (that was time spent staring at the bios screen) so i finally went out and bought a new Motherboard Z97 series chipset, just to realize that the LGA 1155 was no longer current and had to go get a LGA 1150 4.4Ghz processor for my new Motherboard. all up i had the components to build 2 computers so i decided to just buy a new tower install all the parts into the new one and sell my old 2010 system with the 1gb card still inside (as the 512mb one was fairly outdated by start of 2015)

Long story short make sure that its not something else thats bottlenecking your system before you do a me and start upgrading the wrong parts to get the performance you want or you might end up having to completely rebuild your system like i did, upgrading RAM can be a good idea regardless as they are interchangable but make sure that it is infact the ram thats holding you back, you can get a few performance monitors that will log events while you game and you can tell exactly what is taking the hardest hits on your system!

[room217au]

They've certainly added a bunch of documents at TS website now.
Reading through and following links to FAQ it says about selling their 3d models..
If you purchase a 3D skull, you may use that skull in a broader 3D model, for example a human skeleton. You may not sell the 3D skull on its own.
Or words to that effect.
TurboSquid have announced a licence arrangement with the Ford Motor Company to produce their 3D Assets Program. Whatever the hell that is.
I tried finding associations with Paccar but couldn't. TurboSquid have such a high profile there's no way they could get away with selling company property and no licence to do so.
It seems to me that the RTA modders are selling their truck models in the same way as the skull example above.
I also looked at payment regimes within TS and it seems that monies are paid to TS and then distributed to clients (like RTA). But it only seems that way from the little I've read.

[room217au]

The only real issue I have with the RTA team is that updates - although being free - are v e r y far between drinks, so to speak. Almost all their SCS mods have some kind of error or other.
Really simple ones sometimes, but errors nonetheless.

[OFFICIAL]

also i wouldn buy a mod without being able to test it first as not all moders know how to implement LOD

[room217au]

The T908 rocks.

[string28]

I think its a bit pricey for one truck. But I am sucker for games. Its my entertainment. So far as mods for ETS2 I've only paid for Pro Mods and they're excellent, but still that just maps. Try searching You Tube for some reviews.

[OFFICIAL]

Publicado originalmente por string28:

I think its a bit pricey for one truck. But I am sucker for games. Its my entertainment. So far as mods for ETS2 I've only paid for Pro Mods and they're excellent, but still that just maps. Try searching You Tube for some reviews.

i didnt pay for ProMods, i downloaded the free version and once i had tried it i made a donation :D

[Tim]

all mods should be free

[SmilesLikeJoker]

Publicado originalmente por JJ:

all mods should be free

I'm ok with paying for a mod, but feel donations are a much better model to use. I offered to pay for a someone to make me a very specific custom skin. The person who responded said not to worry about paying him for the mod and he would do it for free. I still felt obligated to pay something, but he refused any donation. We compromised. He had a favorite charity so I donated $15 to Make-A-Wish. Win win all around :)

A small donation, even if its only enough for a soda, can show modders that their work is appreciated.