Scania Model T truck Thoughts

[Ryanns999]

I know there's a mod but that doesn't help too much for truckersMP, i was wondering how everyone else felt about this "long nose" truck. I'm American so for me I like how the model stands out from the standard cab over designs on the market. I know this should be more on the SCS forums but has anyone put the suggestion out there? Would it even be worth while to get the licences for it? on my solo profile my fleet is made up of the T and a few short haul trucks and felt its a missed truck you don't see them much. Thoughts...

[MirkoC407]

The last conventional was sold in Europe 2005 (Scania T Series 5). So SCS will get licenses for them only when they should ever start implementing older trucks. All other conventionals based on Scania Streamline and New Generation or DAF XF are handbuilt without official factory support. Or if they are overseas models running in Europe like Volvo VNL or Iveco Strator, they were grey imports, also without manufacturer support. So manufacturers won't license these.
In the cases of Scania Streamline T or New Generation T and DAF XF Torpedo they even could not do so, because these trucks are not their intellectual property although using it. Not being a lawyer, my qualified guess is you would need licenses from both, the original truck builder and the tuner who did the conventional rebuild. Don't see that ever happen.

[Ryanns999]

Originally posted by MirkoC407:

The last conventional was sold in Europe 2005 (Scania T Series 5). So SCS will get licenses for them only when they should ever start implementing older trucks. All other conventionals based on Scania Streamline and New Generation or DAF XF are handbuilt without official factory support. Or if they are overseas models running in Europe like Volvo VNL or Iveco Strator, they were grey imports, also without manufacturer support. So manufacturers won't license these.
In the cases of Scania Streamline T or New Generation T and DAF XF Torpedo they even could not do so, because these trucks are not their intellectual property although using it. Not being a lawyer, my qualified guess is you would need licenses from both, the original truck builder and the tuner who did the conventional rebuild. Don't see that ever happen.

Thank you for a little history, I am surprised Scania didn't keep the model a little longer. But the roads are setup and design differently to us, As for the licenses I thought SCS would need one for every model I didn't know they could build the models without help and still be in the clear.

[MirkoC407]

Same as you had up to the 80es. European law restricts the length of the truck bumper to bumper. So every inch you add for a hood in front of the cab you have to cut off from the rear of the trailer, i.e. you loose loading space and therefore payload = money. Only certain "heavy trailer" transports were still use them: construction, tankers, steel coils. Build numbers were too small to produce them for a resasonable price.

SCS needs licenses for everything they build with a brand logo on it. I did not write anything else. Just for deep modifications (like a hood conversion) they will need even 2 licenses from 2 parties for 1 truck. A truck manufacturer and a tuning company.

[Ryanns999]

Originally posted by MirkoC407:

Same as you had up to the 80es. European law restricts the length of the truck bumper to bumper. So every inch you add for a hood in front of the cab you have to cut off from the rear of the trailer, i.e. you loose loading space and therefore payload = money. Only certain "heavy trailer" transports were still use them: construction, tankers, steel coils. Build numbers were too small to produce them for a resasonable price.

SCS needs licenses for everything they build with a brand logo on it. I did not write anything else. Just for deep modifications (like a hood conversion) they will need even 2 licenses from 2 parties for 1 truck. A truck manufacturer and a tuning company.

My apologizes, I must have read it wrong. Very interesting how European laws are for the trucks, we don't have anything here, just weight per axle (steer 12,000lbs, drive axles 34,000 for each axle etc), lights, etc.

[_KC76_]

Originally posted by Ryanns999:

Very interesting how European laws are for the trucks, we don't have anything here, just weight per axle (steer 12,000lbs, drive axles 34,000 for each axle etc), lights, etc.

This is very "incorrect" .. There are literally hundreds of "laws" (Federal and State Regulations) that restrict nearly every aspect of Trucking, including the length of trailers, and combinations, as well as the Weight limits you mention (which you cite incorrectly*). And even though you rarely here it talked about, there are still over-all bumper to bumper length laws. They have been relaxed some since the 70's when American Cab-Overs were popular for just that reason, but they do still exist, and you can not just have any length truck/trailer you want.

*correct maximum Axle loading weights are 20,000 lbs for any one single axle no closer than 10'2" on center to any other axle. It does not matter if it is steering or drive or trailer.
-Tandam axles closer than 10'2" on center are limited to lower weight limits, with 34,000 per pair being common with 60" tandem spacing.

[Ryanns999]

Originally posted by _KC76_:

Originally posted by Ryanns999:

Very interesting how European laws are for the trucks, we don't have anything here, just weight per axle (steer 12,000lbs, drive axles 34,000 for each axle etc), lights, etc.

This is very "incorrect" .. There are literally hundreds of "laws" (Federal and State Regulations) that restrict nearly every aspect of Trucking, including the length of trailers, and combinations, as well as the Weight limits you mention (which you cite incorrectly*). And even though you rarely here it talked about, there are still over-all bumper to bumper length laws. They have been relaxed some since the 70's when American Cab-Overs were popular for just that reason, but they do still exist, and you can not just have any length truck/trailer you want.

*correct maximum Axle loading weights are 20,000 lbs for any one single axle no closer than 10'2" on center to any other axle. It does not matter if it is steering or drive or trailer.
-Tandam axles closer than 10'2" on center are limited to lower weight limits, with 34,000 per pair being common with 60" tandem spacing.

Okay that's different for here in my area all weights are 12k for steer and 34k for drive axle. might be a local thing though. Thank you for the correction KC76

[_KC76_]

Originally posted by Ryanns999:

Originally posted by _KC76_:

This is very "incorrect" .. There are literally hundreds of "laws" (Federal and State Regulations) that restrict nearly every aspect of Trucking, including the length of trailers, and combinations, as well as the Weight limits you mention (which you cite incorrectly*). And even though you rarely here it talked about, there are still over-all bumper to bumper length laws. They have been relaxed some since the 70's when American Cab-Overs were popular for just that reason, but they do still exist, and you can not just have any length truck/trailer you want.

*correct maximum Axle loading weights are 20,000 lbs for any one single axle no closer than 10'2" on center to any other axle. It does not matter if it is steering or drive or trailer.
-Tandam axles closer than 10'2" on center are limited to lower weight limits, with 34,000 per pair being common with 60" tandem spacing.

Okay that's different for here in my area all weights are 12k for steer and 34k for drive axle. might be a local thing though. Thank you for the correction KC76

While I have seen special circumstances in some states for "straight trucks", such as dump trucks requiring to be quad or quint axles instead of tri-axle setups, when it comes to Tractor Trailers, these are FEDERAL 50 State laws/regulations that are regulated by the Federal Highway Administration and the US Department of Transportation:

https://ops.fhwa.dot.gov/freight/publications/brdg_frm_wghts/

https://ops.fhwa.dot.gov/freight/publications/size_regs_final_rpt/index.htm#tts

[Ryanns999]

Originally posted by _KC76_:

Originally posted by Ryanns999:

Okay that's different for here in my area all weights are 12k for steer and 34k for drive axle. might be a local thing though. Thank you for the correction KC76

While I have seen special circumstances in some states for "straight trucks", such as dump trucks requiring to be quad or quint axles instead of tri-axle setups, when it comes to Tractor Trailers, these are FEDERAL 50 State laws/regulations that are regulated by the Federal Highway Administration and the US Department of Transportation:

https://ops.fhwa.dot.gov/freight/publications/brdg_frm_wghts/

https://ops.fhwa.dot.gov/freight/publications/size_regs_final_rpt/index.htm#tts

That's awesome thank you, I will get time here to look at them two links. Might come in handy as I am working to getting my CDL and need all the help I can get, as you can tell.