LIVE BROADCASTS

[job.dunn]

Something very frustrating about LIVE broadcasts that are not LIVE at all. It was never a real thing in the industry, It was generally News channels trying to leach viewers. I work in the entertainment industry.

This is very much a negative impact on a genuine audience. Its genuine if you add content regularly and/or go live and provide LIVE/real-time content for your audience. It is not genuine to go LIVE with pre-recorded footage. It offers no real-time experience for the audience.

You do such a great job of the content, the videos are clearly entertaining for your audience, why let yourselves down and pretend your LIVE? For clicks? Cheap marketing? Because others do it?

Had to step in with this discussion because I couldn't comment or ask about something I was seeing that wasn't actually happening, that's what LIVE is all about.

Thanks for listening. I hope it will at least be considered. It should help you grow rather lose your audience. I wont open live broadcasts from ETS2 anymore, because I feel cheated. Anyone feel the same?

*ADDITIONAL AFTER COMMENTS* I do not use Steam the way others might, I may not have known where to correctly pose this question (Clearly not here where I have learned this is a player to player forum) and it is quite simply a complaint. It does not require or request troll responses. I welcome accurate feedback that corrects me if I am wrong or action to fix an issue if many others agree there is an issue. Thanks.

[Wolfgang]

It literally states that what you see there is pre-recorded.
First world problems at its best.

[peppermint hollows]

This is not an ETS2 or SCS issue but just a Steam issue. You should complain to Steam and tell them to remove the "LIVE" icon on the broadcast section, change it to something like "PREVIOUS BROADCAST." This happens on every game's store page. Steam just links broadcasts from the game and plays them indefinitely until a new one is linked, and I'm not even sure if developers control this or not.

By the way, the developers do not read this forum. You need to go to their official forums.

[job.dunn]

Originally posted by Wolfgang:

It literally states that what you see there is pre-recorded.
First world problems at its best.

Yes it does, That's why I question the validity. "LIVE" is not "Pre-recorded". Not really sure what your point was. You seemed to have missed mine.

Have a nice day.

[job.dunn]

Originally posted by peppermint hollows:

This is not an ETS2 or SCS issue but just a Steam issue. You should complain to Steam and tell them to remove the "LIVE" icon on the broadcast section, change it to something like "PREVIOUS BROADCAST." This happens on every game's store page. Steam just links broadcasts from the game and plays them indefinitely until a new one is linked, and I'm not even sure if developers control this or not.

By the way, the developers do not read this forum. You need to go to their official forums.

That is interesting, I would be surprised if its accurate but I don't really have the means to check. I am not likely to complain any further, I am sure if the Devs noticed and cared enough they will raise it as an issue with Steam. As a customer I only give my personal feedback, complaint or compliment. Its not an attack of course, just an observation.

I appreciate your take on it. Thanks.

[job.dunn]

REF: ecamm.com pre-recorded-videos-and-live-everything-you-need-to-know

Do not roll a pre-recorded video and pretend that it’s live:

Another important thing to be aware of is that you cannot go live and roll a pre-recorded episode and act as if it’s live. Again, this breaks the Terms of Service for all platforms, including YouTube and Facebook. It also breaks trust with your audience who are expecting that you’re actually live and hoping to interact with you.

There are definitely those out there who do this and run the risks, but I’d encourage you not to be among them. It really does damage your relationship with your viewers and can result in your being barred from platforms like YouTube and Facebook.

The only exception to the above would be if you were doing a live stream where you came on and gave an intro live and then rolled a pre-recorded video (maybe an event or a lesson/demo) and then came back at the end and did a live Q+A. The key to remember is that you can’t “pretend” to be live when you’re not. just make sure that you’re always super super super clear with your audience about what you’re sharing.

(STANDARD PRACTICE FOR GENUINE CONTENT CREATORS)

[peppermint hollows]

Originally posted by job.dunn:

Originally posted by peppermint hollows:

This is not an ETS2 or SCS issue but just a Steam issue. You should complain to Steam and tell them to remove the "LIVE" icon on the broadcast section, change it to something like "PREVIOUS BROADCAST." This happens on every game's store page. Steam just links broadcasts from the game and plays them indefinitely until a new one is linked, and I'm not even sure if developers control this or not.

By the way, the developers do not read this forum. You need to go to their official forums.

That is interesting, I would be surprised if its accurate but I don't really have the means to check. I am not likely to complain any further, I am sure if the Devs noticed and cared enough they will raise it as an issue with Steam. As a customer I only give my personal feedback, complaint or compliment. Its not an attack of course, just an observation.

I appreciate your take on it. Thanks.

I want to add that there is another game I play, and on its store page, frequently what shows up under the "LIVE BROADCAST" are streams from a very popular Twitch streamer for that game. The streamer is aware that his streams always show up under the "LIVE BROADCAST" feature on the store page, and he is also aware that it isn't actually a live broadcast despite what it claims, so at the top of the stream he always has an overlay that says "THIS IS NOT LIVE FOOTAGE IF YOU'RE WATCHING FROM THE STEAM STORE PAGE" to avoid confused viewers from joining his stream and asking why it's not actually live there.

So again I'm not even sure if this is an automatic feature from Steam, or if this is something the developers themselves choose to put on the store page, but regardless it's definitely not a problem with just this game.

[job.dunn]

Originally posted by peppermint hollows:

Originally posted by job.dunn:

That is interesting, I would be surprised if its accurate but I don't really have the means to check. I am not likely to complain any further, I am sure if the Devs noticed and cared enough they will raise it as an issue with Steam. As a customer I only give my personal feedback, complaint or compliment. Its not an attack of course, just an observation.

I appreciate your take on it. Thanks.

I want to add that there is another game I play, and on its store page, frequently what shows up under the "LIVE BROADCAST" are streams from a very popular Twitch streamer for that game. The streamer is aware that his streams always show up under the "LIVE BROADCAST" feature on the store page, and he is also aware that it isn't actually a live broadcast despite what it claims, so at the top of the stream he always has an overlay that says "THIS IS NOT LIVE FOOTAGE IF YOU'RE WATCHING FROM THE STEAM STORE PAGE" to avoid confused viewers from joining his stream and asking why it's not actually live there.

So again I'm not even sure if this is an automatic feature from Steam, or if this is something the developers themselves choose to put on the store page, but regardless it's definitely not a problem with just this game.

I am glad you agree it is a "problem". Shame it appears "Steam" are the guilty party. I still find it hard to believe that steam would have any input in specific game promotion, via the "Live" broadcasting system... They can just put said game at the top of the page, or perhaps offer discounts etc, as they do.

If they go so far as to destroy a games community to promote sales by deliberately fake "LIVE" streaming, I would expect Devs (or your mentioned very popular streamer) to have a serious issue with this. No?

In any case. It is very bad practice for genuine, intelligent audiences. Audiences like you and I and the "Very popular streamer" you mentioned, that understand the core of what they are seeing. Not just what is dangled in front of them in some promotional way.

I appreciate the intelligent feedback Peppermint. I now feel like I have spent enough effort on something, quite frankly, very trivial.

All the best.

[peppermint hollows]

Originally posted by job.dunn:

If they go so far as to destroy a games community to promote sales by deliberately fake "LIVE" streaming, I would expect Devs (or your mentioned very popular streamer) to have a serious issue with this. No?

Well, no, I don't think most devs care, because contrary to this claim, it is NOT destroying any game's community. In fact, I don't think most people even notice or care about this. You are right about this being very trivial, it is indeed.

Glad I was able to help however, have a good day.

[mojo_musica]

"quite frankly, very trivial."
You summed up your entire thread there, nobody cares if it is live or not.
If you were so bothered, why not address the actual devs on their actual forum?
SCS do not look at this Steam forum very often, you should go to:
https://forum.scssoft.com
and post there, this is only the Steam player to player forum.

[uni790]

The broadcasting system from what I understand is mostly automated, there's a select few streams it can pull from and if that stream is offline you get a recorded/archived "stream" instead.

Now if you happen to be running a live stream via steam's own system it can pull you to the game's page and feature you even without your knowledge, there are a fair few problems with steam's broadcast system, most I would assume are from the fact that not a lot of people are even aware it exists.

[job.dunn]

Originally posted by uni790:

The broadcasting system from what I understand is mostly automated, there's a select few streams it can pull from and if that stream is offline you get a recorded/archived "stream" instead.

Now if you happen to be running a live stream via steam's own system it can pull you to the game's page and feature you even without your knowledge, there are a fair few problems with steam's broadcast system, most I would assume are from the fact that not a lot of people are even aware it exists.

Yes it appears so, I couldn't really find the logic in it. Now with your feedback and the addition of another intelligent comment from Peppermint Hollow (above) perhaps it is an apparent issue with Steam and not the Devs. I had just not experienced it with any of my 30 (at the time) other games. It seemed to be exclusively ETS2.

I have not delved deep enough because its really just trivial complaining, but I am glad others have identified the issue. After all, it is how issues get addressed and fixed.

Thank you for your thoughts on it. Best Regards.

[job.dunn]

Originally posted by peppermint hollows:

Originally posted by job.dunn:

If they go so far as to destroy a games community to promote sales by deliberately fake "LIVE" streaming, I would expect Devs (or your mentioned very popular streamer) to have a serious issue with this. No?

Well, no, I don't think most devs care, because contrary to this claim, it is NOT destroying any game's community. In fact, I don't think most people even notice or care about this. You are right about this being very trivial, it is indeed.

Glad I was able to help however, have a good day.

Yes I may have used extreme terms when I said "destroys the community" I apologise for that.

I appreciate you sir/madam. All the best.

[job.dunn]

This discussion got reported and was pulled from public view to be reviewed...

Quote: (This topic is awaiting analysis by our automated content check system. It will be temporarily hidden until we verify that it does not contain harmful content e.g. links to websites that attempt to steal information).

And has now been verified and made public again. (Nothing better as far as I am concerned, the report/reports clearly baseless trolling).

I think it is quite clear from all of this ETS2 has a FANTASTIC community, willing to engage in meaningful conversation, and even defend the Devs on an issue raised, perhaps only by one person (me). I appreciate that a lot. Thank you.

[mojo_musica]

Originally posted by job.dunn:

This discussion got reported and was pulled from public view to be reviewed...

Quote: (This topic is awaiting analysis by our automated content check system. It will be temporarily hidden until we verify that it does not contain harmful content e.g. links to websites that attempt to steal information).

And has now been verified and made public again. (Nothing better as far as I am concerned, the report/reports clearly baseless trolling).

I think it is quite clear from all of this ETS2 has a FANTASTIC community, willing to engage in meaningful conversation, and even defend the Devs on an issue raised, perhaps only by one person (me). I appreciate that a lot. Thank you.

Only just joined? You're in for a great time here, we all support SCS. You might want to get up to speed on what the definition of trolling is, answering a question honestly, even if you don't like the answer, isn't trolling. I answered honestly, and you took offence, that's fine, but you can't expect to get only answers you like, so don't stress about them.
It's all part of life's rich pattern.
This is purely a player to player forum, SCS do not make a point of monitoring it and any complaints or suggestions will very likely not be seen or acted on. If you want to make any meaningful points with SCS, use their forum, as noted. If you want to complain or suggest anything regarding Steam, they have their own forums as well, they also don't monitor this forum.
Everyone is prepared to answer questions and help with SCS games, ETS2 and ATS, but we are only players like you. I worked in IT for over 20 years and have been playing games on PC's since they were invented, so I try and use that knowledge to contribute to the forum when I can.

[job.dunn]

Originally posted by mojo_musica:

Originally posted by job.dunn:

This discussion got reported and was pulled from public view to be reviewed...

Quote: (This topic is awaiting analysis by our automated content check system. It will be temporarily hidden until we verify that it does not contain harmful content e.g. links to websites that attempt to steal information).

And has now been verified and made public again. (Nothing better as far as I am concerned, the report/reports clearly baseless trolling).

I think it is quite clear from all of this ETS2 has a FANTASTIC community, willing to engage in meaningful conversation, and even defend the Devs on an issue raised, perhaps only by one person (me). I appreciate that a lot. Thank you.

Only just joined? You're in for a great time here, we all support SCS. You might want to get up to speed on what the definition of trolling is, answering a question honestly, even if you don't like the answer, isn't trolling. I answered honestly, and you took offence, that's fine, but you can't expect to get only answers you like, so don't stress about them.
It's all part of life's rich pattern.
This is purely a player to player forum, SCS do not make a point of monitoring it and any complaints or suggestions will very likely not be seen or acted on. If you want to make any meaningful points with SCS, use their forum, as noted. If you want to complain or suggest anything regarding Steam, they have their own forums as well, they also don't monitor this forum.
Everyone is prepared to answer questions and help with SCS games, ETS2 and ATS, but we are only players like you. I worked in IT for over 20 years and have been playing games on PC's since they were invented, so I try and use that knowledge to contribute to the forum when I can.

I am new yes.

To be fair to you, I did find your Link and direction quite helpful. I just found the combative nature of "Nobody cares" uncomfortable and my guard went up. I am now better informed, to be sure.

I wish you well sir/madam.