ETS3, someday ?

[wedjeus]

ETS2 is a great game, and developers have improve it through the years (even if sometimes, new updates were worse than previous version, according to me).
But today, it's obvious that this game is limited by its game engine.
I think it's time for SCS to start thinking about ETS3 !
we need new game mechanics and graphics improvements.
I have an old graphic card, and it's good enough for ETS2, but I would gladly upgrade my PC config if ETS3 is published someday.

And in ETS3 we'll need :
- more garage management options (mechanics for hire, for exemple)
- more realistic economy
- next gen and more realistic graphics
- seasons and climate changes (snow, black ice, wind, blizzard, fog...)
- better traffic IA
- bikes (not on highway ;-) ) and motorcycles in traffic
- pedestrians more alive, and capable of crossing roads
- realistic collisions and damages
- realistic trucks behaviour
- more diversified roads and landscapes (as in Promods)
- better truck configurations

do you think about other improvements ?

[Wolfgang]

As has been said many times in here (please use the search function!):
SCS has NO plans to make an ETS3 in the future. ETS2 is still getting updated and upgraded and an ETS3 would mean that SCS has to get the licences for all the trucks again which costs a ton of time and money.

[Stuka]

Originally posted by Wolfgang:

As has been said many times in here (please use the search function!):
SCS has NO plans to make an ETS3 in the future. ETS2 is still getting updated and upgraded and an ETS3 would mean that SCS has to get the licences for all the trucks again which costs a ton of time and money.

And i hope they stick to that plan for many years to come. I dont need any "next gen" graphics, i think the game's fun as it is and graphics won't change that. Ppl are so trained to find it normal that you need to buy a new game with minor changes every other year, they don't see the value of a company supporting their product for many years. The comment sections on the scs blog are sad to read tbh. It is full of demands and self entitlement that i sometimes don't understand why SCS evens bothers keeping up with "us". But still i hope they keep going to care for their costumers and keep supporting this great game.

[wedjeus]

1) I used search function and didn't find any post related to that (I wrote "ets3" in search menu)
2) I think that SCS have made enough money with ETS2 to buy licences.
3) imagine a "Flight simulator 2020" or "F1 2020" that would never upgrade their licence...
4) I don't ask for a new ETS version every year ; ETS2 is nearly ten years old !

I understand that there are not many trucks games on the market, but it's not a reason for being lazy and rely on modders to keep the game up to date.

[eristic]

I just thought they would keep expanding on the ets2 and ats maps eventually somehow joining the 2 and renaming it world truck simulator, VR support would be nice though

[Wolfgang]

Originally posted by wedjeus:

1) I used search function and didn't find any post related to that (I wrote "ets3" in search menu)
2) I think that SCS have made enough money with ETS2 to buy licences.
3) imagine a "Flight simulator 2020" or "F1 2020" that would never upgrade their licence...
4) I don't ask for a new ETS version every year ; ETS2 is nearly ten years old !

I understand that there are not many trucks games on the market, but it's not a reason for beeing lazy and rely on modders to keep the game up to date.

Are you sure?
https://steamcommunity.com/app/227300/discussions/0/3069740688734141070/

SCS is upgrading the licence for this game. The new Renault is an example of that.
Also a lot of the money is reinvested into makeing the new DLCs and the free updates of the base map and the updates to the game (which are also free).

[SecretOne]

Originally posted by wedjeus:

1) I used search function and didn't find any post related to that (I wrote "ets3" in search menu)
2) I think that SCS have made enough money with ETS2 to buy licences.
3) imagine a "Flight simulator 2020" or "F1 2020" that would never upgrade their licence...

I understand that there are not many trucks games on the market, but it's not a reason to become lazy and rely on modders to keep the game up to date.

There are and have been plenty of post about ETS3.
You might not have seen them.
The search function is flawed. You type ETS3 and it uses ETS as the search parameter, so you get everything that has ETS in it, so not really helpful.

About licenses, it is not about the money, it is about if the manufactures want it it or not.
Yes there is money involved but that will not be the driving factor.
I would say It is more about their image in the game, how the manufacturer of the trucks is represented.

SCS lazy? Really? So they have not done anything with the game in the last year or so.

As for MSFS2020 and F1 2020 they are both run by huge companies that have immense power in the industry, that is not the same for SCS.

[wedjeus]

https://games-stats.com/steam/?publisher=scs-software

ETS2 = 120 000 000 $ net revenue

the company makes more than 20 000 000 $ profit every year

[Sanekaze]

From my point of view, the game suits me like that aesthetically, some landscapes are really beautiful, and I don't need an ets3.

On the other hand, I agree with certain ideas from the first post which would make it possible to give a facelift and a more realism such as having better management of the AI, pedestrians crossing, and climate management with seasons and snow in winter for exemple

[Wolfgang]

Originally posted by wedjeus:

https://games-stats.com/steam/?publisher=scs-software

ETS2 = 120 000 000 $ net revenue

the company makes more than 20 000 000 $ profit every year

And how much of that is spent on taxes, wages for the employees, upkeep of the infrastructure (e.g. WoT) and rent of the office?

Profit doesn't equal what is left after all the expenses.

[Capt. Carrot]

Originally posted by wedjeus:

1) I used search function and didn't find any post related to that (I wrote "ets3" in search menu)
2) I think that SCS have made enough money with ETS2 to buy licences.
3) imagine a "Flight simulator 2020" or "F1 2020" that would never upgrade their licence...
4) I don't ask for a new ETS version every year ; ETS2 is nearly ten years old !

I understand that there are not many trucks games on the market, but it's not a reason for being lazy and rely on modders to keep the game up to date.

in relation to point 2. It's not the MONEY for licencing as much as the TIME it takes. SCS have been negotiating with a British trailer manufacturer for over 2 years with ZERO sign of branded DLC to show for it. they have been negotiating that long that the company in question has gone into administration an so it is likely that there will never be any DLC to show for their negotiations with that company.

Look at how long it took SCS to get the original Range T into the game.

in relation to your original points. SCS IS apparently looking at adding more weather than just rain into the game and possibly even seasons.

realistic, visible damage will NEVER happen because the manufacturer's won't allow it. Truck configurations/accessories are also down to whatever approval the manufacturer will allow (which is why the trucks in the game DON'T have 8x6 chassis optiions as part of the vanilla game)

Having driven a truck around a truck MOT testing station a bit i would say that the truck behaviour in the game is actually quite realistic, what is it about the truck behaviour that you find unrealistic

the Traffic AI is getting better and actually is quite realistic if you have spent any time driving around in real life. there are terrible drivers in real life and this IS simulated with some of the bad AI driving in the game. If you drive as defensively in the game as you should in real life you shouldn't have any accidents with the AI.

motorbikes are only static clutter in the game because SCS cannot animate the riders. this means that, at red lights, the motorbikes would magically balance in defiance of the laws of physics and gravitation because the rider CANNOT put their leg down, the same thing would also apply to bicycles and bicycle riders (if you don't believe me, download Jazzycat's Motorbike Traffic mod and have a look)

Haven't used promods so cannot comment on the quality of their maps but SCS have actually done a very good job of the road network with the DLC map's and they are going back over the base map to bring it up to the same quality as the DLC' map. part of any "diversity" issue with regard to the road network is the SCALE of the map. At 1:20ish scale, SCS are limited in the different type of roads that they can include in the game

Any successor to ETS2 WILL NOT happen until development of ETS2 has completely finished. SCS has only about 200 employees and to start development of a THIRD game on top of ETS2 and ATS will just massively slow down development of their other games.

[Nimir-Raj]

Originally posted by wedjeus:

But today, it's obvious that this game is limited by its game engine.

It is SCS's own engine. Any future titles will be using the same engine. That means ETS3 would also be using it. Anything they could do in ets3 is something they could add to ets2 as well.

Originally posted by SecretOne:

About licenses, it is not about the money, it is about if the manufactures want it it or not.

It's always about the money. It's a business deal. While companies would rather show off their latest and greatest, you wave a big enough cheque in their face and they'll say yes to other stuff too.

The problem is they often ask too much for such things. Take Scania, there's a reason the 770 engine and badge isn't in game, and you can bet it's not because Scania don't want it.

[grizdotcom]

If ETS3 were to come out, it better let me transfer my progress and every bit of dlc I've purchased in the past 2 years. Otherwise they should stick to ETS2 and focus on incremental improvements.

[Sandhill]

Originally posted by SecretOne:

About licenses, it is not about the money, it is about if the manufactures want it it or not.
Yes there is money involved but that will not be the driving factor.
I would say It is more about their image in the game, how the manufacturer of the trucks is represented.

We have, I think, no clue how heavily licensing costs weigh on SCS, but it might be the single largest outlay in their budget. I have read, for example, that Ford makes more licensing the Mustang than they do manufacturing it, hundreds of million dollars a year..
You can be sure that the manufacturers squeeze every last cent out of a licensing deal. they have that responsibility to their shareholders.

[ZeSentinel]

i think ETS2 is fine as it is, and we have new dlc

[m61a1]

I think ETS 2 is doing just fine. There's plenty of roads to drive, though more can always be appreciated! There's no shortage of trucks either. Between brands and options there's something for everyone.