Extreme Lots Of Micro Stutters

[Davsanciolu]

Hi all, i have been fighting with a micro stuttering issue for a week now. Before going in detail let me give you my specs;
32 GB 3200 Mhz DDR4 RAMs (2x16)
500GB + 2TB 7200 RPM HDDs (Game is on the 2TB)
AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 8-core & 16-thread CPU
Sapphire Nitro+ AMR RX-480 8GB GPU
Windows 10 64 bit OS with latest updates
All of my drivers are up to date
No background apps that could cause this filth

Now to the issue. This happened last year when i reinstalled Windows and instead of downloading i didn't remove Steam and double clicked on it to launch the games which had been there before and after the format. That time deleting and redownloading solved the issue. I have been playing perfectly recently around 40 - 60 fps on highest possible settings and 1080p without v-sync. I even applied some great mods. One day, i decided to download GTA Vice City for a nostalgia run. Tweaked with its Radeon Profile settings. Switched back to ETS and the game was running weird. The game was stuttering but at the same time it wasn't. I mean a magnet from the backside of the truck were being activated once two seconds and everything tended to stop. I launched ATS and it wasn't different either. As i mentioned i had faced this again before last time. I just reinstalled the ETS and deleted all the mods both from the mods menu and mods folder. But the issue was going on. I made a quick research and a feller was talking about selling the trailer. First i tried to uncouple the trailer in the garage menu. Took the truck to repairs and refueling but the issue was still there. Loaded an older save which i had created to load in case of strange stuff. After the loading the process was same. Micro stutters were there. Then i loaded recent save and sold the trailer and the garage i had bought from Iceland. The stutter were gone and i quit the game seeing the issue was solved. Next day i launched the game and it was there again. I realized that i had launched the old save in which the trailer and garage were unsold. I sold them again. Played like 4 or 5 real life hours without a single issue. Bought 2 trailers and hired 5 drivers for my newest garage. I parked my truck and saved the game. I quit the game and went to sleep. This morning i wanted to finish the job and guess what, stutter was back and this time selling trailers or something didn't work. I have tweaked the v-sync settings, refresh rate settings, quality settings, scalings, freesync settings, input lag setting, advanced syncronization setting but no, nothing helped. If you want and if it is legal i can give the link to my reddit post in which ihave a video that shows what exactly happens. This stuff got me disgusted from the game which i have been playing for almost 10 years. IF you know a solution, I'd be quite grateful.

Edit: here is the link to the Reddit post with a short video of problem
https://www.reddit.com/r/trucksim/comments/o8aeca/game_has_extreme_micro_stuttering/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

Edit: game.log.txt link is added

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[mojo_musica]

Stop using mods, how else did you buy a garage from Iceland?
Mods = potential problems
Lots of mods = LOTS of potential problems
It is right on the launch screen every time you start the game, when you run mods.
"THIS GAME CONTAINS UNAUTHORISED MODIFICATIONS. IF YOU EXPERIENCE CRASHING TRY REMOVING YOUR MODS PACKS."
Mods are unsupported by SCS, they are entirely your responsibility.
Mod authors do not always maintain mods and keep them up to date, any new game update has the potential to break every mod. Workshop mods have NO guarantee of working, either on their own or with other mods.

It is not the game, it is your system and how you have it set up, if the game caused stuttering to the extent you say you experience, there would be nothing but complaints in this forum about it.
There are many different variables in a PC that can cause stuttering and lag.
Prime offenders are:
Slow, fragmented disk drives, running at near capacity. NVme or SSD drives are far quicker than old hard drives.
Windows not fully updated and not set up for gaming, there are numerous extra settings to make games run better.
Background programs running and stealing CPU/GPU cycles and RAM, especially browsers, third-party anti-virus programs and firewalls.
Poorly configured BIOS not configured for the hardware being used,
Not un-installing drivers before installing new drivers, which MUST be from the GPU manufacturers own website, not third-party.
Low end monitor, with an outdated cable connection, and a poor refresh rate. Avoid old monitors running with DVI cables, 120Hz and Display Port is better for gaming.

Try starting a new, unmodded profile to test changing the graphics settings and see what effect that has. Activate the Steam frame counter, then reduce the GFX settings to minimum and increase them until you can run at 60fps with decent detail levels and no stuttering.
if necessary do this:
Go to "C:\Users\*your username*\Documents\Euro Truck Simulator 2".
Open "game.log.txt", (NOT game.crash.txt) in Notepad or other text editor.
Copy it all and then post it to pastebin.com (split in two parts if too big).
Post the link to that page on here.
If pastebin is not available in your country you can use http://rentry.co and post that page link here.
Post the link to your video if you think that is any help.

[Davsanciolu]

Originally posted by mojo_musica:

Stop using mods, how else did you buy a garage from Iceland?
Mods = potential problems
Lots of mods = LOTS of potential problems
It is right on the launch screen every time you start the game, when you run mods.
"THIS GAME CONTAINS UNAUTHORISED MODIFICATIONS. IF YOU EXPERIENCE CRASHING TRY REMOVING YOUR MODS PACKS."
Mods are unsupported by SCS, they are entirely your responsibility.
Mod authors do not always maintain mods and keep them up to date, any new game update has the potential to break every mod. Workshop mods have NO guarantee of working, either on their own or with other mods.

It is not the game, it is your system and how you have it set up, if the game caused stuttering to the extent you say you experience, there would be nothing but complaints in this forum about it.
There are many different variables in a PC that can cause stuttering and lag.
Prime offenders are:
Slow, fragmented disk drives, running at near capacity. NVme or SSD drives are far quicker than old hard drives.
Windows not fully updated and not set up for gaming, there are numerous extra settings to make games run better.
Background programs running and stealing CPU/GPU cycles and RAM, especially browsers, third-party anti-virus programs and firewalls.
Poorly configured BIOS not configured for the hardware being used,
Not un-installing drivers before installing new drivers, which MUST be from the GPU manufacturers own website, not third-party.
Low end monitor, with an outdated cable connection, and a poor refresh rate. Avoid old monitors running with DVI cables, 120Hz and Display Port is better for gaming.

Try starting a new, unmodded profile to test changing the graphics settings and see what effect that has. Activate the Steam frame counter, then reduce the GFX settings to minimum and increase them until you can run at 60fps with decent detail levels and no stuttering.
if necessary do this:
Go to "C:\Users\*your username*\Documents\Euro Truck Simulator 2".
Open "game.log.txt", (NOT game.crash.txt) in Notepad or other text editor.
Copy it all and then post it to pastebin.com (split in two parts if too big).
Post the link to that page on here.
If pastebin is not available in your country you can use http://rentry.co and post that page link here.
Post the link to your video if you think that is any help.

Thank you for your comment and advices. First, as i mentioned, i have cleared all of the mods. Even if i hadn't, the mods were all being updated. They were ProMods and its own add-ons plus Jazzycat mods. They constantly update their mods. But anyways i have disabled and deleted them. The strange thing is, in the game.log.log file i saw that the game had tried to load up quite old mods and failed.

Secondly, it is not my system. Opposed to your suggestion, the HDD are not that incapable. OK SSD is a privilege but HDD is still quite capable. If it weren't, i couldn't have played Assassin's Creed Valhalla on 30 - 45 fos with ultra high quality settings on 1080p. Or RDR 2 would be a disaster. Or Cyberpunk 2077 would give me bizarre bugs and i couldn't play around 40'ish fps rates around high - ultra settings (I'm not sure about my graphics settings on cyberpunk as i finished the game on its release month). I am always careful with my updates on Windows and applications so all of them are up to date. I have no annoying background applications. Even my anti-virus is Windows Defender. I have tried killing some apps but nothing changed. My monitor is a Samsung 27 inch curved LED monitor running on HDMI port.

I have loaded a save from the modded days and it took me to my headquarters saying some changes made and my truck is parked safely. The stutters were gone there. After finishing up tge current job, i fast traveled to my headquarters. Fired the most recent drivers, sold my latest trucks and garage in Craiova. The stutters are gone for now. I will post the gamecrash.log and the link to the video here when i have time. Thank you for your reply again.

[Oz Gaming]

You might have removed or disabled mods but there would still be remnants of those mods in your files for that profile. Try a brand New profile that has Never had any mods on it.

[Davsanciolu]

Originally posted by Harli:

You might have removed or disabled mods but there would still be remnants of those mods in your files for that profile. Try a brand New profile that has Never had any mods on it.

Fair enough. But i have almost 10 years of career in the save. I really don't want to lose the stuff. I have never modded ATS by the way. It was stuttering as well. I deleted it but will download to see the effects.

[Davsanciolu]

I have created a new profile, deleted all the old files, then deleted the whole Documents ETS2 folder. Nope, no hope. Both ATS and ETS do the same thing. Yeah i have modded ETS a lot but i haven't touched ATS. I can't figure out why the hell this thing stutters like this.

[Karlia]

Give this a try Dave.
Open your Euro Truck Simulator 2\config.cfg in editor of choice. Scroll to the bottom you will find uset t_averaging_window_length "20" change the value in quotes to 0 save launch game.

[Davsanciolu]

Originally posted by Karlia:

Give this a try Dave.
Open your Euro Truck Simulator 2\config.cfg in editor of choice. Scroll to the bottom you will find uset t_averaging_window_length "20" change the value in quotes to 0 save launch game.

Dave? ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ 😂 I'll definitely use it. But your thing half worked half not. The stutters are not that severe but still there. Previously, the game was stopping for a second and turning normal for another second. This was continuing. Now half a second takes for stutters and 1.5 seconds are normal. But the game is more playable now.

[Karlia]

LoL I am blind in one eye and cant see out of the other... sorry 🤪
ok since it half worked try editing it again, this time set it to twice the value of your refresh rate. 0 is a universal value that works for most, twice the refresh value may give a better result.

[Davsanciolu]

Originally posted by Karlia:

LoL I am blind in one eye and cant see out of the other... sorry 🤪
ok since it half worked try editing it again, this time set it to twice the value of your refresh rate. 0 is a universal value that works for most, twice the refresh value may give a better result.

Dave is one of my new virtual names mate, i liked it :D My nick is actually a foolaround of my last name in Turkey. Like Johnson into "Dzoonsohn".
Anyways, it kinda worked this time. Better it is. What does it do anyways? I will tweak more and play for some time. We will see if this gets permanent.

Edit: Nope, started again. i think i'll wait for the 1.41 update and then who knows something could change.

[Wolfgang]

Well, there is a known stuttering issue with owned trailers.

Aside from that I highly recommend disabling SSAO as this is only something for high-end GPUs.

Also a SSD is really helpfull for gaming as it is much faster than a HDD. You can get SSDs very cheap (1TB for about 100€) so that shouldn't be a problem.

[Davsanciolu]

Originally posted by Wolfgang:

Well, there is a known stuttering issue with owned trailers.

Aside from that I highly recommend disabling SSAO as this is only something for high-end GPUs.

Also a SSD is really helpfull for gaming as it is much faster than a HDD. You can get SSDs very cheap (1TB for about 100€) so that shouldn't be a problem.

I wish you knew Turkey friend :) but yeah anyways I'll buy a 2tb ssd soon but as i don't play online games (i just don't like them) HDD is quite enough for me. This is not about trailers as far as I can tell. I mean if so the game is about trailers, buying them attaching them and using them is a part of the game. I haven't tried SSAO option but i don't think it will work because i was playing quite good until ıne point. I didn't do anything to the game but it started to fault on itself with Ats. There is some stuff about SCS here.

[mojo_musica]

Originally posted by Junior:

Originally posted by mojo_musica:

Stop using mods, how else did you buy a garage from Iceland?
Mods = potential problems
Lots of mods = LOTS of potential problems

This is BS. In fact, some mods are more optimized than the "base" game. I'm currently using 50 mods in ATS and 90 in ETS and i'm running everything fine without ANY log error and smooth as silk. Sure you can have a lot of trouble if you just add mods without know what you're doing, however, you can't say "don't use mods because will break your game"


Ok, I had this stutter thing before even with a new profile without mods. The issue was the vertical sync. I had to disable it to get high fps without stutter, however I got tearing. It was a video driver issue. I removed the driver using DDU and a couple of tests with some older and newer drivers solved the problem.

Perhaps you misunderstood, or misinterpreted what that statement means? Or are you just lacking in comprehension skills?

Potential is the important word you ignored, the potential all mods have to cause problems.
Not stated anywhere that ALL mods are at fault, but any of them can be, to varying degrees.
You have attributed a false quote to me as well, can you see the words "don't use mods because will break your game" (sic) anywhere in my post? NO, because that is a complete lie, don't invent quotes when everyone can see they are false. Every word of my original post is true, whether you like it or not, and SCS are the ones telling you exactly the same thing every time you start a game with mods, not me making it up.
I hope you can see that is correct, and if you don't, would you like to spend some time reading the posts on here that ask for help where the problems are caused by mods?
Except when betas are active, you can see that the majority of posts about problems ARE caused by mods, with low-end hardware and out of date drivers trailing behind.

You also didn't acknowledge that Iceland must be a mod, it is not in the vanilla game, so ProMods or another map mod must have been installed at some point.

I have no problem with mods, their authors or users, but all users need to be aware when using them that they can be a cause of all sorts of errors and crashes in the game.
If they work, fine, enjoy them, but don't blame SCS if they don't.
Remember "Mods are unsupported by SCS, they are entirely your responsibility."

[Davsanciolu]

Originally posted by Junior:

Originally posted by mojo_musica:

Stop using mods, how else did you buy a garage from Iceland?
Mods = potential problems
Lots of mods = LOTS of potential problems

This is BS. In fact, some mods are more optimized than the "base" game. I'm currently using 50 mods in ATS and 90 in ETS and i'm running everything fine without ANY log error and smooth as silk. Sure you can have a lot of trouble if you just add mods without know what you're doing, however, you can't say "don't use mods because will break your game"


Ok, I had this stutter thing before even with a new profile without mods. The issue was the vertical sync. I had to disable it to get high fps without stutter, however I got tearing. It was a video driver issue. I removed the driver using DDU and a couple of tests with some older and newer drivers solved the problem.

I have messed with v-sync like tens of times but it didn't help. The driver part could work tho. I'll try that.

[Davsanciolu]

Originally posted by mojo_musica:

Originally posted by Junior:

This is BS. In fact, some mods are more optimized than the "base" game. I'm currently using 50 mods in ATS and 90 in ETS and i'm running everything fine without ANY log error and smooth as silk. Sure you can have a lot of trouble if you just add mods without know what you're doing, however, you can't say "don't use mods because will break your game"


Ok, I had this stutter thing before even with a new profile without mods. The issue was the vertical sync. I had to disable it to get high fps without stutter, however I got tearing. It was a video driver issue. I removed the driver using DDU and a couple of tests with some older and newer drivers solved the problem.

Perhaps you misunderstood, or misinterpreted what that statement means? Or are you just lacking in comprehension skills?

Potential is the important word you ignored, the potential all mods have to cause problems.
Not stated anywhere that ALL mods are at fault, but any of them can be, to varying degrees.
You have attributed a false quote to me as well, can you see the words "don't use mods because will break your game" (sic) anywhere in my post? NO, because that is a complete lie, don't invent quotes when everyone can see they are false. Every word of my original post is true, whether you like it or not, and SCS are the ones telling you exactly the same thing every time you start a game with mods, not me making it up.
I hope you can see that is correct, and if you don't, would you like to spend some time reading the posts on here that ask for help where the problems are caused by mods?
Except when betas are active, you can see that the majority of posts about problems ARE caused by mods, with low-end hardware and out of date drivers trailing behind.

You also didn't acknowledge that Iceland must be a mod, it is not in the vanilla game, so ProMods or another map mod must have been installed at some point.

I have no problem with mods, their authors or users, but all users need to be aware when using them that they can be a cause of all sorts of errors and crashes in the game.
If they work, fine, enjoy them, but don't blame SCS if they don't.
Remember "Mods are unsupported by SCS, they are entirely your responsibility."

Yeah i used ProMods and Marmara Extended Map along with Jazzycat mods and a sound fix mod and to be honest, i was in love with the mods. Everything was perfect but something happened. I can't figure that out.

[REVENGER]

Same for me for a long time. I tested everything. Its not from Hardware, its totally about settings but i am still looking for the solution.