Is the game really this grindy?

[Obliterated Train Cow]

I know, simulator. But still, I've only got around 15k, and the cheapest truck available to me right now is 99k. Am I doing something wrong, or is the progression really this ridiculously slow?
I see people talking about having drivers and stuff, once you DO get your own truck, does the game pick up; do you make a considerably larger amount of money per run?

[Stellar ❤️💙💛]

Originally posted by munchiesnOOb:

So the game goes from a complete grind-fest to a sitting simulator, huh.

I think this game is not for you.

[Gazer75]

Originally posted by munchiesnOOb:

Originally posted by Gazer75:

LOL... You feel the default economy is slow!? It's way to fast for my liking.
You can afford a top of the line truck in like 50 trips IIRC. And once you get rolling and hire drivers and stuff you'll make millions each day. What then?

No, I prefer a much harder model than this.
98 jobs done, 28K euro saved up and I just got to level 14.

Slow at first, it is. I bet there's a mod out there to make late-game more difficult. In reality, something tells me its slightly harder keeping a trucking business, well, in business.

I'm using Klaas economy mod and fuel prices, and feel they are pretty good.
Best paying jobs, with a normal driving distance, at level 14 for me is around 0,75€/Km doing quick jobs.
Problem is SCS didn't make the ferry economy account for mod like this, so the ferry prices have to be unrealistically low as to not make you loose money.
You are not paid for the ferry distance/cost so some jobs with short over land distance and long ferry will be a loss to do.
Like going to Iceland in Promods map is very expensive and require a very long total distances.

[decree]

Grindy? The point is to drive around, enjoy the trucks. If your major favorite in ets2 is the economics and you rather dont like the driving there alot better matching games for your taste.

[N Quarter]

I get what you say about being "Grindy", but you have 3.7 Hours in Game. That is definitely no grind at all, you are but a mere seed still on the outer surface.

As already stated to you, there are loans you can take out right off the bat. Yes you will have a low level and only have a small selection of the cheaper Trucks, but that's just the start of your Trucking life.

What I think the problem is, is that you are coming into ETS2 with the wrong mindframe. Stating that it could be possibly grindy, is kind of going against the purpose of what ETS2 is meant for.

When I first started I did the exact same thing. I wanted the best Trucks, I only drove Scania's, and I only focused on jobs that payed the most, and getting my Level up ASAP. It kind of killed my enjoyment of the Game, as I basically ignored everything else going on around me.

I've recently returned to the Game a Month ago from an almost 2 year break, but instead of wanting everything now, now now, I'm instead focusing on the locations I drive to, seeing the sights that it has to offer, taking more note on the cargo I'm hauling, and the company's I'm delivering to and from [with a RL Mod of course], each new Truck I buy is a different Manufacturer. I'm actually taking in what ETS2 has to offer, at the pace it provides whilst seeing the positives of working up from lower end Tractors, to Upgrading and personalizing as I see fit in an afordable manner until my Level allows me to upgrade to a higher Model.

Don't get me wrong though, I thoroughly enjoyed it before I had my break. I clocked over 160 hours on my first go, but coming back to it with a different mindframe, has increased the enjoyment enormously.

Although ETS2 can come across as a "Grind", which is correct in the term, but at the same time it is also incorrect due to the Genre of Game. Don't play it to "have the best right now", play it for what it offers as a whole.

All the best to you =]

[chris.boney]

im not in it for the money. im in it for the drive.
got lots of profiles with different setups.
but,, i guess,, yes,, its a freakin grind.
i found it easier and a lot more enjoyable After setting up multiple different profiles. all with enough money and exp to fully enjoy my trucks and all of the different destinations across europe.

set up a couple of vanilla profiles. then set up a few custom profiles with mods for money/exp/faster speed/more trailers/or whatever.

at least now i can pick any job with any of my custom trucks and enjoy the process of the "drive" & not the "grind".
weirdly enough, i find this game to be one of the best driving experiences for pc.
(lol.. daaam. i'll be driving trains next)..

O.O

[MillerMi10]

Originally posted by munchiesnOOb:

Originally posted by Iridium:

Once you get your own truck, and especially once you can start being able to employ drivers, the amount of money you make increases drastically. By the time you get even a couple of full garages, money virtually stops being an issue completely.

That's both good and bad news.
So the game goes from a complete grind-fest to a sitting simulator, huh.

You can still drive around etc... a lot of us play this game for fun, because we like driving, we don't really worry about the money, we just drive :P

[FreeQuest]

Originally posted by munchiesnOOb:

Originally posted by Ragequit Inc.:

And after you get your own truck, guess what you're gonna be doing.. Yeah, driving a truck. The same thing you were doing in quick jobs. It's a game about driving a truck. If you think that's "grindy", then maybe this isn't for you.

>if I think its grindy
Fam, I'm playing the game, right? I'm enjoying it? I liked it when I had tried it in the past, so I bought it. I obviously like the game. However, the game is grindy. That's not a matter of feeling or opinion. There is a buttload of grinding for xp and money. That's not an issue though; again, I'm still playing it.

Originally posted by FreeQuest:

What I did when first starting was

1 - Get my frist truck
2 - Save up for garage upgrade
3 - Save Up for aditioal truck and driver
4 - Upgrade my truck

Rince and repeat steps 2 -4

Skills wise concentrate on long distance it will allow you to see more of the map and earn larger cash reward.

The first few hours are a little grind but its not much as long as you drive your own truck you can easly keep up with loan repayments and save cash. Once you have drivers working for you then you wont really have to worry about anything.

Also the chepest trucks for your dirvers are fine game dosnt care.

Reagards

I did see people advise to concentrate on long distance. Just from playing last night, money for trips jumped from like 2k to 9k per delivery, so I can already see those bonuses in effect.

I don't mind the first few hours; Just made this thread to ask if the whole game was so slow. Kind of a shame that it picks up to the point of being really easy, but I enjoy it enough that I don't really mind.

O thats the fun part once you have a lot of cash you can buy and drive any truck you want.

There are mods out there that give real life income and those make the game a hell grind.

For me the game is easy to start up and play great to relaxe with much less hassle than a flight simulator you just get in and go.

Hopefully you will find your ZEN moment in the game and Happy trucking my Freind.

[Milkshaker]

This game is not grindy. Period.
(I've seen grindy games.)

If you feel you need a little boost to get started, check this excellent piece of info:
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=264923789

Note that the game is very free on you:
- You DON'T HAVE TO buy an own truck (but if you want, you can take the big loan)
- You DON'T HAVE TO buy garages and hire drivers (but you can, see above)

You said you're an ArmA player? I don't see how this game would be too tough on you then

[Jogi]

With your definition every game with growing economics is grindy. :)

I think the definition is a little bit .... I don´t know a word for it, so i use bad or to simple.

[Mr Noseybonk]

Actually munchiesnOOb yes, ETS2 does have a certain element of grind to it if you choose to play through it's full business career mode (ie getting garages, trucks and staff), but it is just at the right pitch IMO. ETS2 is quite pleasant and satisfying to grind your way through, it's not like "pay-to-win" pieces of crap like World of Tanks of War Thunder, and SCS don't use their DLCs as tools to coerce you into buying just in order to reduce grind - like say David "Robber" Braben does with "Elite : Dangerous"

[Obliterated Train Cow]

Originally posted by Stellar:

Originally posted by munchiesnOOb:

So the game goes from a complete grind-fest to a sitting simulator, huh.

I think this game is not for you.

How so?
So stating that the game is a grind that turns into a non-grind means I dislike the game? Huh, last time I checked, I actually enjoy this game and don't mind grinding. But hey, I guess people who aren't me know what I enjoy better than I do!

Originally posted by decree:

Grindy? The point is to drive around, enjoy the trucks. If your major favorite in ets2 is the economics and you rather dont like the driving there alot better matching games for your taste.

The game is grindy. I'm aware of the point of the game, but the level and cash grind is slow at first.

I do not understand why this community has an aversion to the word "grind." Its not a bad word.

Originally posted by N Quarter:

I get what you say about being "Grindy", but you have 3.7 Hours in Game. That is definitely no grind at all, you are but a mere seed still on the outer surface.

As already stated to you, there are loans you can take out right off the bat. Yes you will have a low level and only have a small selection of the cheaper Trucks, but that's just the start of your Trucking life.

What I think the problem is, is that you are coming into ETS2 with the wrong mindframe. Stating that it could be possibly grindy, is kind of going against the purpose of what ETS2 is meant for.

When I first started I did the exact same thing. I wanted the best Trucks, I only drove Scania's, and I only focused on jobs that payed the most, and getting my Level up ASAP. It kind of killed my enjoyment of the Game, as I basically ignored everything else going on around me.

I've recently returned to the Game a Month ago from an almost 2 year break, but instead of wanting everything now, now now, I'm instead focusing on the locations I drive to, seeing the sights that it has to offer, taking more note on the cargo I'm hauling, and the company's I'm delivering to and from [with a RL Mod of course], each new Truck I buy is a different Manufacturer. I'm actually taking in what ETS2 has to offer, at the pace it provides whilst seeing the positives of working up from lower end Tractors, to Upgrading and personalizing as I see fit in an afordable manner until my Level allows me to upgrade to a higher Model.

Don't get me wrong though, I thoroughly enjoyed it before I had my break. I clocked over 160 hours on my first go, but coming back to it with a different mindframe, has increased the enjoyment enormously.

Although ETS2 can come across as a "Grind", which is correct in the term, but at the same time it is also incorrect due to the Genre of Game. Don't play it to "have the best right now", play it for what it offers as a whole.

All the best to you =] :letsgo:

I don't want the best trucks my dude. I want to grind. This thread was just asking if the whole game was a grind like this, where the whole game is reeeeaaally slow. Which would be totally fine by me, I enjoy the driving enough. Apparently, late game the grind disappears and the game devolves into just driving (which is fine; I wouldn't be playing a truck sim if I didn't enjoy driving the trucks) so I'm going to start looking for economy mods to make later game less simple.

I'm trying not to be rude, but cmon.

Originally posted by Milkshaker:

This game is not grindy. Period.
(I've seen grindy games.)

If you feel you need a little boost to get started, check this excellent piece of info:
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=264923789

Note that the game is very free on you:
- You DON'T HAVE TO buy an own truck (but if you want, you can take the big loan)
- You DON'T HAVE TO buy garages and hire drivers (but you can, see above)

You said you're an ArmA player? I don't see how this game would be too tough on you then :D:

The game is grindy. Period. I don't understand why people have an issue with accepting that. The game does not reward you very quickly with new ♥♥♥♥. GRID, which I played through on my 360 (I think it was grid) was NOT grindy. Do a few races, new car. Few races, new car. Few races, new car. This on the other hand takes a long time to get a new truck. I've got just under 4 hours ingame and I'm only 20% of the way to my first truck. That's grindy. NOT a bad thing, since for like the 30th time, I enjoy the game, but it is in fact grindy.

Again, game isn't tough on me. You're pulling that out of thin air.

Originally posted by =FETT= Jogi:

With your definition every game with growing economics is grindy. :)

I think the definition is a little bit .... I don´t know a word for it, so i use bad or to simple.

The game is grindy. The game being grindy should not influence whether or not you like it (unless you dislike grind.) And no, not every game with growing economics is grindy; not even in the least. Cities Skylines, for example, while sometimes difficult, is nowhere near a grind. It can take a while to unlock the late game stuff, but the game is constantly giving you new stuff as your population increases.

Originally posted by gartheastwood:

Actually munchiesnOOb yes, ETS2 does have a certain element of grind to it if you choose to play through it's full business career mode (ie getting garages, trucks and staff), but it is just at the right pitch IMO. ETS2 is quite pleasant and satisfying to grind your way through, it's not like "pay-to-win" pieces of crap like World of Tanks of War Thunder, and SCS don't use their DLCs as tools to coerce you into buying just in order to reduce grind - like say David "Robber" Braben does with "Elite : Dangerous"

I agree, the grind is perfect in this. Except for late game where it supposedly disappears. Grinding in WoT and WT is a massive pain in the ass; that's a case where grinding ISN'T fun. But here, its fine.

[Ragequit Inc.]

For me atleast, the word "grind" has a very negative connotation to it. In my book, "grinding" means having to do tedious, boring things you don't WANT to do, because of game design or whatever else. And on that definition, this game has no grind for me personally.

Your mileage may of course vary, depending on your definition or perspective on it. This was all i was saying, and felt like i wanted to clarify my stance on it..

[Klaas]

Progression, in my opinion, is way to fast. IDK why would you say it's to low when you can get your own truck in 10minutes after you start a profile.
So I decided to make a mod and until this day, with almost 100hours of playtime on profile, I don't have my own truck. (I have two employees with stock trucks, but I still do quickjobs) 70.000miles driven until now. And I make 900$/day, 600$/day goes to bank loans, so 300$ profit. And that's low. I get paid 0.80$/mile, at the beginning I was paid ~0.30$/mile