ETS2 any alternative on TruckersMP for MP?

[Pendragon]

I don't know how many years since they first released ETS2 and the TruckersMP mod but it is very obvious that they didn't improve anything on the multiplayer side of the game. Me and my friend just wanna play the game online with only two of us as players and bots. Driving in empty roads, resting and getting infinite amount of money like things really making TruckersMP unplayable, don't even mentioning the amount of trolls in it, and the speed limits.

I still don't understand why there are no alternatives at all for the TruckersMP? Isn't it somehow possible to implement a small mod to just to play the normal single player game with 2 people using hamach i or something (dedicated server?) without any other fancy useless features? ( Yes in 2020 )

[gwait]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Pendragon:

ETS2 any alternative on TruckersMP for MP?

Nope

[xFetusx Block11Radio.ca]

The makers of this game have nothing to do with the MP mod .

[Pendragon]

Whyy and howww? Is it that hard to make a simple mod to play this game MP? Isn't it even somehow possible to use the TruckersMP to create your own dedicated server and add bots in it?

Ursprünglich geschrieben von xFetusx:

The makers of this game have nothing to do with the MP mod .

obv

[gwait]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Pendragon:

Whyy and howww? Is it that hard to make a simple mod to play this game MP? Isn't it even somehow possible to use the TruckersMP to create your own dedicated server and add bots in it?

It's not open source, so no. Also if it was that simple, it would have been done already. Things are not as black and white.

[dave46563]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Pendragon:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von gwait:

It's not open source, so no. Also if it was that simple, it would have been done already. Things are not as black and white.

This game is one of the top 10 most played games in steam, i am very sure that there thousands of people ready to even pay money on a proper MP mod.

A lot who play aren't bothered about multiplayer so it's no big deal to us. Those who are just need to wait for them to update Truckers.

[Pendragon]

That is really tragic. Like, TruckersMP doesn't even allow things like sound mods... SOUND MODS... What could go wrong with adding a new rain sound to the game and using it on the TruckersMP. This mod is literally incompatible with any other mod and the mod itself only adds a MP capability to game and nothing much else. Really...

[gwait]

And yet it ends up having over 3.4 million user accounts. Let's not forget that these are every-day people who just ended up being ETS2 enthusiasts and decided to come together to develop a mod. Sure, it could be better, but as something that relies on donations isn't exactly going to have unlimited resources. Plus local mods cause game crashes and lag already.

[Cop Unit 12]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Pendragon:

That is really tragic. Like, TruckersMP doesn't even allow things like sound mods... SOUND MODS... What could go wrong with adding a new rain sound to the game and using it on the TruckersMP. This mod is literally incompatible with any other mod and the mod itself only adds a MP capability to game and nothing much else. Really...

Can cause crashes and or lag for other users who do or don't have the mod installed along with many other issues. (not saying Truckers MP it the best thing in the world but just an answer). For example of simple save editing, they had a issue with people changing the interiors of their trucks (like Mercedes interior on a Scania) causing people to lag out (like 100fps to 5fps)

[TwinShadow]

No, it isn't as simple as making a mod for MP.

TruckersMP is a hack of the game. That's what it is. They claim it's a mod, but it injects code into the game's EXE file to do things it never was intended to do in the first place. It's also ran by kids who want to make sure you follow their whims or you get the boot. Also because damn near everyone there thinks it's Need For Speed: Truck Edition which annoys me. It's why I play single player because that was what the game was intended as until SCS figures out how they want to evolve the game further in the future.

They are so close-minded that it's honestly not worth bothering with. But keep in mind, what I say is just my words, you can form your own opinion about it for however you see fit.

There is a more technical explanation, as what I mentioned earlier is real basic, but the changes required go far, far deeper than that.

In the meantime, I'll happily wait for SCS to implement something proper, even if it takes a few years to do so. I'd rather it done properly, than hamstrung into the game's EXE that basically hacks the game to do things it was never meant to do.

[Reese]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Cop Unit 12:

Can cause crashes and or lag for other users who do or don't have the mod installed along with many other issues.

This only happens because they haven't added support for differing of game content. Plenty of other MP mods(for other games) have done just fine letting people install mods client-side. Notably for me is GTA MP mods, like San Andreas Multiplayer, FiveM, MTA, etc. Yeah it can be buggy, but crashes don't just happen. They happen when you try to sync data that doesn't exist. ETS2 is mainly the issue here, crashing if the game itself detects any difference in data vs what it expects to be there.

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Pendragon:

Whyy and howww? Is it that hard to make a simple mod to play this game MP? Isn't it even somehow possible to use the TruckersMP to create your own dedicated server and add bots in it?

Well yes. I was once told that TruckersMP contains more lines of code than ETS2 itself does. That accounts for the MP-related additions on top of the base game. TruckersMP has kept it closed source and only one other attempt has even come close to TruckersMP, and that's HGVMP, which abruptly shut down a few months ago.

As for using TruckersMP to make your own, that's.... not easy. Reverse-engineering C++ code(presumably what TruckersMP is written in) isn't that difficult, but it's a very long and painstaking process. It'd be much easier to do what cheat makers do for FPS games. Create a simple bootstrap program that fetches different functions and just hijack them to execute your own code. In this case, hijacking TruckersMP code to redirect their client/server interactions to your own server code. However, TruckersMP has not released any server-related information. So you'd be creating your own server code from scratch. This on its own is actually far easier to do than creating the client-side stuff. Just have to do a little packet sniffing to find out what data gets sent to the client and what data the client sends back to the server. Again, very time consuming and not worth the effort.

Better off creating an entirely new mod from scratch. To future people who wish to attempt this: Don't focus on making a multiplayer mod. Focus on creating a mod loader. Then create an MP mod that runs off of that mod loader. This will make it much easier to update the MP mod since your code will be completely separate from the mod loader code. As a result, you can also create many other types of mods that you couldn't before using the built-in mod manager the game ships with. Custom scripting is much more manageable than hacking directly onto the game.

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Sorry for the long, non-formatted post. There are far more technical details than I would be bothered to put in a Steam post that will probably end up locked and forgotten about.

[dave46563]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von TwinShadow 【天狐】:

No, it isn't as simple as making a mod for MP.

TruckersMP is a hack of the game. That's what it is. They claim it's a mod, but it injects code into the game's EXE file to do things it never was intended to do in the first place. It's also ran by kids who want to make sure you follow their whims or you get the boot. Also because damn near everyone there thinks it's Need For Speed: Truck Edition which annoys me. It's why I play single player because that was what the game was intended as until SCS figures out how they want to evolve the game further in the future.

They are so close-minded that it's honestly not worth bothering with. But keep in mind, what I say is just my words, you can form your own opinion about it for however you see fit.

There is a more technical explanation, as what I mentioned earlier is real basic, but the changes required go far, far deeper than that.

In the meantime, I'll happily wait for SCS to implement something proper, even if it takes a few years to do so. I'd rather it done properly, than hamstrung into the game's EXE that basically hacks the game to do things it was never meant to do.

+1

Haven't tried it and I never will. I play ETS to relax, multiplayer just isn't my cup of tea. Although I do get a good laugh out of watching those idiot vids on YouTube. They make me laugh. Partly due to the sound effects but also just to verify that what you say is true....there's a heck of a lot idiots on there.

[Pendragon]

I have been playing the TruckersMP for like 50 hours now in few weeks, and never faced with those 'idiot's outside of cities. Somehow they don't care about the lights and causing crashes because of that. Not seen somebody crashing while overtaking in a while. And this is happening because there is no reason to stop on red lights, or be afraid of crashing since everyone is cheating in money crashing is no problem contrarily making the game more fun, for those ' '.

[manodry]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von TwinShadow 【天狐】:

No, it isn't as simple as making a mod for MP.

TruckersMP is a hack of the game. That's what it is. They claim it's a mod, but it injects code into the game's EXE file to do things it never was intended to do in the first place. It's also ran by kids who want to make sure you follow their whims or you get the boot. Also because damn near everyone there thinks it's Need For Speed: Truck Edition which annoys me. It's why I play single player because that was what the game was intended as until SCS figures out how they want to evolve the game further in the future.

They are so close-minded that it's honestly not worth bothering with. But keep in mind, what I say is just my words, you can form your own opinion about it for however you see fit.

There is a more technical explanation, as what I mentioned earlier is real basic, but the changes required go far, far deeper than that.

In the meantime, I'll happily wait for SCS to implement something proper, even if it takes a few years to do so. I'd rather it done properly, than hamstrung into the game's EXE that basically hacks the game to do things it was never meant to do.

+1

I make mine, your words, pure truth, in MP (truckMP) you will just be angry, because it is hitting a truck on another, and you spending money unnecessarily and ruining a truck too, I prefer 1000x to play singleplayer

[NotAnOption]

bit late to the party, but there used to be a project called "HGVMP", but it got taken down around april 2020, such a bummer! they even got help from inside TruckersMP to help with the code!

[hackintoshchap]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Pendragon:

.... a small mod

It would be a long way from being a 'small mod', TruckerMP remains extremely popular but SCS have made made noises about a system like you describe coming to WoT. We really don't know much more than what was said by Pavel in the pre-Christmas live stream. SCS will give more information in due course - later this year?...possibly....