Unsafe speed limits

[Remy]

Not sure if this is just Italy/Sicily or other countries in ETS2, but I've noticed a lot of on-ramps having a speed limit of 40 when merging onto a main road (expressway/motorway) with a speed limit of 80, which is crazy. How can you possibly merge with traffic when you are forced to travel half the speed (and those speed limits seem to be policed very aggressively in Italy).
I know it's just a game, but it seems very unrealistic.

[XBL Laberbacke]

It's the LIMIT, not the recommended speed.

[Nimir-Raj]

I also find it ludicrus that the ramp limit is so slow, here we're taught to "match speed" when joining a motorway so these really slow on ramp speeds do feel wrong to me too.

That said I believe the limits are correct for the junctions IRL.

[rallysta74]

Sorry for you guys but in Italy it's really like that...

[Hiro Protagonist]

Originally posted by Mohegan Moh1336:

I also find it ludicrus that the ramp limit is so slow, here we're taught to "match speed" when joining a motorway so these really slow on ramp speeds do feel wrong to me too.

That said I believe the limits are correct for the junctions IRL.

In most places (especially the older areas) the on-ramps are nowhere near long enough to allow proper merging anyway, and the AI doesn't do it either.

[Sandhill]

Certinly a limitation of 20:1 in that to realistic merge should take you what, about half a second? I'm afraid that the ramps need to be made absurdly long to give us any sense of "merging", which I would love to see. And the speed limit would then be more relevant...

[Nimir-Raj]

The merging ramps in DLC areas are fine IMO. More than long enough to adjust speed.

Base areas not so much.

AI is useless regardless.

I used to use the hardshoulder in base areas as the merging lane, but now that SCS have made the AI slam their brakes on when you reach a certain point you can't do that any more.

[illgib]

In real life speed limits in speedlane are because you have to wait to insert in traffic because you don't have right to cross, you should approach, slow down, check if noones coming, and then insert. If you would drive at the same speed the motorway you would certanly crash into someone.
Just common sense.
Don't know how things work outside, but in Italy have always been that way.

[Nimir-Raj]

Originally posted by illgib:

If you would drive at the same speed the motorway you would certanly crash into someone.

Drive at the same speed as the motorway, slow down as necessary to make a safe entry.

The problem with going very slow is that when you merge with the motorway you are then on the motorway going significantly slower than other traffic, that is way more dangerous, particularly for trucks that can't accelerate quickly.

[Fluffypuff]

Originally posted by illgib:

In real life speed limits in speedlane are because you have to wait to insert in traffic because you don't have right to cross, you should approach, slow down, check if noones coming, and then insert. If you would drive at the same speed the motorway you would certanly crash into someone.
Just common sense.
Don't know how things work outside, but in Italy have always been that way.

It's actually more dangerous to change into the main lane while driving significantly slower than the other traffic in the main lane, as it reduces the time for other drivers to react on noticing you going a lot slower than them. It's better to look for a suitable gap in traffic while entering the acceleration strip, then preparing to change into this gap by accelerating in a way that lets you end up driving parallel to the gap while matching the speed driven in the main lane. Then change into the gap in the main lane. The risk for a collision is pretty low, as all vehicles are driving about the same speed.

[Bobby]

In the uk the slip roads, which is what they are called, they are -in game- 25-30mph merging with a motorway speed of 70mph! Which ISN'T the correct speed. The slip road is designed on a downward gradient to allow slower accelerating vehicles to meet the merging speed of the motorway thus allowing a smooth transition of vehicles into the flow of traffic with little disruption. Also due to you being slightly higher than the motorway it allows you to see gaps and the speed of the traffic. I completely ignore it in the game. If you were to merge onto a live motorway (70mph) at 25-30mph is just a recipe for multiple pile ups and death!.....

[Nimir-Raj]

The reason merging lane is used instead of sliproad is because sliproad is a term used for both entry and exit lanes. The word merging clarifies instantly that only the entry lane is being referred to.

Sliproad design isn't all downhill, in fact most around here are uphill. Several of the busiest M62 intersections are uphill also. There's quite a lengthy system in place for our sliproads that goes into length, width, gradients, visibility, curvature etc. But no, they aren't specifically designed for downhill merging.

[Glow]

Have you even been in Sicily? Just maybe this is how it is. Don't expect that word is same everyhere. This game aspire to be a real life simulation, not just a nice to play game for everyone. This is what some players expect from devs - simulation. Not arcade gameplay.

Google Map Street View will tell you a true.

BTW: I hate Italian gates on highways, never can pick the right one.

[illgib]

Point is that you aren't expected to merge in the main lane at a slower speed, but the lower speed let you check if anyone approaching, slow down or stop, then wneh it's safe, speed and insert in the highway.
If you approach from a speedinglane at 80kmh how you're supposed to stop if a car is approaching?
It's much safier to approach at 40kmh having space and time to slow down and look at the street then quickly speed up to free the lane.
It'sso automatic that amaze me how you think it's safer to have the same high speed into an insertion lane.

[Bobby]

Originally posted by illgib:

Point is that you aren't expected to merge in the main lane at a slower speed, but the lower speed let you check if anyone approaching, slow down or stop, then wneh it's safe, speed and insert in the highway.
If you approach from a speedinglane at 80kmh how you're supposed to stop if a car is approaching?
It's much safier to approach at 40kmh having space and time to slow down and look at the street then quickly speed up to free the lane.
It'sso automatic that amaze me how you think it's safer to have the same high speed into an insertion lane.

Unless your a truck! How do you think a truck merges onto a motorway from a standing stop? Slip roads are designed to allow a safe merging speed and view. Driving on motorways -26 years for me- allows you to see merging traffic for a considerable distance and etiquette is unwritten, you move over into the fast/middle lane to allow merging traffic to , well, merge! They are not supposed to slow down, it's not a give way. There's signs everywhere telling you to "allow traffic to merge" if traffic merges on a slope there is a dedicated lane for them, in other words, they don't merge per se. They join alongside the main motorway traffic. Two lanes become three for eg. The main body of traffic doesn't come into contact with your slower speed. It's all common sense and if you've driven enough years it's there to see, merging lanes are very,very long for to allow slower vehicles plenty of time to build speed and equal motorway traffic. I've hardly ever in my life braked for merging traffic in my lane. You match their speed and flash them out, they simply slot into the general flow. Simple. Trucks Lorries just give them a wide berth and use the middle or fast lane. No doubt similar long merging lanes are used in Europe, but not use the game as gospel, because it's far from it!

[Karlia]

As the man said.. go have a look at street view https://gyazo.com/0630fad7f5887a197c236cb17dd03b6f
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