"Potato PC's" aren't the problem, and its purposefully disrespectful

[Æternum]

Let’s get something straight right off the bat—Monster Hunter Wilds’s performance issues aren’t some magical “potato PC” problem. It’s a game issue. People aren’t out here running Word or checking their email; they’re playing a modern title that, for whatever reason, runs like crap on even decently powerful systems. So stop gaslighting folks with your ridiculous “just get a 5090” nonsense. It’s not the problem, and it never has been.

⦿It’s a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ Optimization Issue, Not a Hardware One: The benchmark/beta have been out for a while now, and the fact that it still struggles on mid-to-high-end rigs proves one thing—Monster Hunter Wilds is terribly optimized. It’s not a “you need better hardware” situation. A 3070 is plenty for almost any other modern game, but this one? Stuttering, frame drops, crashes—it’s broken. Don’t give me the crap that everyone needs a $5,000 computer to brute force the game just to make the damn thing run.

⦿Telling People to Buy a $2,000 Card (even more than that depending on what country you're reading this in) is Complete Bullsh*t: It’s beyond lazy and frankly insulting to tell people who are already running decent hardware to just “get a better PC.” That’s your solution to everything? Throw money at it and hope the game magically fixes itself? No. That’s a lazy troll response. Not everyone has unlimited money to throw at a game that’s simply not working right. The issue is with the game, not the person’s wallet or system.

⦿Stop Pretending Hardware is the Only Answer: The fact that people are running the same setup as you and getting worse performance doesn’t mean their PC is trash. It means something about how this game is designed or optimized is the problem. You can’t throw money at that. You want to tell someone who has a 3070, or a 3080 to buy a 5090? Why? Because you’re too lazy to look past the hardware and face the fact that the game is completely jank? These “solutions” are the kind of garbage you see from people who have no clue how optimization works, but who want to feel superior for no reason.

⦿You’re Not Helping Anyone: Let me break it to you—trolling people with useless advice like “just upgrade your toaster” doesn’t fix a damn thing. It’s not only stupid, but it’s downright disrespectful. People are coming here with legitimate issues—stuttering, low FPS, crashes—and your solution is to throw around “just buy better hardware” without understanding anything about the underlying problem. That’s not helpful—it’s a lazy excuse to avoid admitting that the game’s performance is flat-out bad.

Bottom line: Monster Hunter Wilds needs real optimization fixes, not more overpriced hardware. Stop wasting people’s time with the same tired troll response “just upgrade your potato” crap, and start addressing the real issue here: the game is running like garbage on systems that should have no trouble with it. Telling people to just “buy a 5090” isn’t just wrong, it’s actively unhelpful insulting, and disrespectful. Quit excusing poor game development with brute force hardware.

[kohlrak]

Originally posted by GamingWithSilvertail:

Originally posted by Sanquin:

Seems like people have the memory of a goldfish these days. In the mid to late 2010's you could still get a full PC for $500~600, and it would run any new game well on at least a mix of medium/high settings. Even the high end 1080 started out at only $430. Now look at the 5080, which starts at 1200. $1200 used to get you a full very high end PC!

Stop expecting people to "just buy a 5080/5090". That's a lot of money, and most people can't easily afford that if at all. And on top of that those prices are clearly artificially inflated like crazy because of greed, and because of caveman gamers going "unga bunga just get better pc parts bruh!"

People are very justified in complaining about this game running like ass on anything less than an $2500 computer. At this rate consoles will really "win the war" by simply still being affordable to play games on.

People can play this game on a 1500 USD PC just finem heck, even a 1200. They just dont know what they need. Infact its the bloody complainers that keep on pulling up the same 5080/5090 videos that still can run it at 4k even they they themselfs dont really have a 4k card.

Go build that PC on newegg real quick and share your build.

[Smiles]

So I have a 3060 16G Vram... I can run the game on medium with very little stuttering using 1080p. (I have been avoiding 4k like the plague, makes me dizzy) Switching some setting I can raise it to high with pretty much the same result. I know my cards now on the 'lower end of things.' However, I really don't care and don't want to buy a new card. Mine runs every single game I want to play, until this one. Yea, I can run it and I have bought it, but OP is right, it doesn't feel good to have people say throw money at it. The fact that I can run it at all but someone with a much better card crashes, is a sign the game needs a lot of work.

[NeoX]

Originally posted by Desert Leaf:

Originally posted by NeoX:

True! Btw i just made a little check on the MHWilds Benchmark (because beta is over now) and checked how many opperating process-threads this game(benchmark) has.

Its 94 active processing threads! https://imgur.com/a/xjuvWbY
And around 20 of them are live world-environment calculations (memory address associations). What means in theory, the more cores your CPU has, up to 20 can have a positive impact on the games performance and against the CPU bottleneck.

In a technical level that looks like a CPU struggle but it really isnt. Its not a CPU struggle because its resolved by a GPU solution called Frame Generation — which I am aware people know the term.

Frame Generation is just a fancy GPU way of imitating a CPU task wait call without having to build an entire infrastructure for the GPU to control the CPU. Since calling a CPU command isnt possible from the GPU end, they had to double the GPU render times.

CPU bottlenecking is a real term, but GPU manufacturers are using it to disguise a GPU related issue.

Nothing you just said is correct or makes sense in this case here.
Please have a view on how much this game is CPu depending and bottlenecked with many tests to show for: https://steamcommunity.com/app/2246340/discussions/0/720116202450474154/

Originally posted by Valier:

Originally posted by Desert Leaf:

In a technical level that looks like a CPU struggle but it really isnt. Its not a CPU struggle because its resolved by a GPU solution called Frame Generation — which I am aware people know the term.

Frame Generation is just a fancy GPU way of imitating a CPU task wait call without having to build an entire infrastructure for the GPU to control the CPU. Since calling a CPU command isnt possible from the GPU end, they had to double the GPU render times.

CPU bottlenecking is a real term, but GPU manufacturers are using it to disguise a GPU related issue.

legitimate troll

Originally posted by Palikai:

Originally posted by Desert Leaf:

In a technical level that looks like a CPU struggle but it really isnt. Its not a CPU struggle because its resolved by a GPU solution called Frame Generation — which I am aware people know the term.

Frame Generation is just a fancy GPU way of imitating a CPU task wait call without having to build an entire infrastructure for the GPU to control the CPU. Since calling a CPU command isnt possible from the GPU end, they had to double the GPU render times.

CPU bottlenecking is a real term, but GPU manufacturers are using it to disguise a GPU related issue.

You have no idea what you are talking about, that much is clear.

Things like these are the reason why many people just give up on helping others. Sometimes there is not even a logical ground to build on.

[GamingWithSilvertail]

Originally posted by kohlrak:

Originally posted by GamingWithSilvertail:

People can play this game on a 1500 USD PC just finem heck, even a 1200. They just dont know what they need. Infact its the bloody complainers that keep on pulling up the same 5080/5090 videos that still can run it at 4k even they they themselfs dont really have a 4k card.

Go build that PC on newegg real quick and share your build.

Go check the pcpartpicker builds in my posts and come back. If you buy from one store you're just doing it wrong too.

[RotGoblin]

Originally posted by kohlrak:

Go build that PC on newegg real quick and share your build.

I don't know how to share a build on Newegg, nor do I want to make an account with them.

But my PC to buy now on Newegg builder is £1042.

And that's with my fancy PC case and overkill PSU, plus my 2TB cached M.2 SSD.

Ryzen 5600X, 16Gb DDR4 3200, RX7800XT.

Edit - and it would be cheaper now to use the R7 5700 8 core, better for Wilds.. and save £15..

[kohlrak]

Originally posted by GamingWithSilvertail:

Originally posted by kohlrak:

Go build that PC on newegg real quick and share your build.

Go check the pcpartpicker builds in my posts and come back. If you buy from one store you're just doing it wrong too.

Tip: start saving valuable links in a txt file for discussions.

[kohlrak]

Originally posted by Goblin:

Originally posted by kohlrak:

Go build that PC on newegg real quick and share your build.

I don't know how to share a build on Newegg, nor do I want to make an account with them.

But my PC to buy now on Newegg builder is £1042.

And that's with my fancy PC case and overkill PSU, plus my 2TB cached M.2 SSD.

Ryzen 5600X, 16Gb DDR4 3200, RX7800XT.

How much is it listing your RX7800XT?

Also AM4, that would give a huge discount i'll admit.

[Kiririn]

Don't buy a 5600x for Wilds. Also 16GB of RAM is not the way to go in 2025 if you can avoid it. For just playing games it should be ok but if you like multi-tasking while gaming go for 32GB.

[GamingWithSilvertail]

Originally posted by kohlrak:

Originally posted by GamingWithSilvertail:

Go check the pcpartpicker builds in my posts and come back. If you buy from one store you're just doing it wrong too.

Tip: start saving valuable links in a txt file for discussions.

I aint gonna do it because you can see my post history and theyr very recent. You wanna dispute stuff, then dispute so doing that instead.

Originally posted by Kiririn:

Don't buy a 5600x for Wilds. Also 16GB of RAM is not the way to go in 2025 if you can avoid it. For just playing games it should be ok but if you like multi-tasking why gaming go for 32GB.

16 GB ram is enough to game. You only need 32 gb if you're doing alot more stuff then game such as recording and video editing....

[RotGoblin]

Originally posted by kohlrak:

How much is it listing your RX7800XT?

Also AM4, that would give a huge discount i'll admit.

Just over £450, which is about £30 more than I paid a few months ago.

Yes I wouldn't buy AM4 today, that's just my system which is playing Wilds beta at 1440p happily enough, the 5600X is dragging now but the 8 core is actually cheaper today.

[Kiririn]

Originally posted by GamingWithSilvertail:

Originally posted by Kiririn:

Don't buy a 5600x for Wilds. Also 16GB of RAM is not the way to go in 2025 if you can avoid it. For just playing games it should be ok but if you like multi-tasking why gaming go for 32GB.

:lunar2019laughingpig: 16 GB ram is enough to game. You only need 32 gb if you're doing alot more stuff then game such as recording and video editing....

That's exactly what I said...

[GamingWithSilvertail]

Originally posted by Kiririn:

Originally posted by Kiririn:

Don't buy a 5600x for Wilds. Also 16GB of RAM is not the way to go in 2025 if you can avoid it. For just playing games it should be ok but if you like multi-tasking why gaming go for 32GB.

16 GB ram is enough to game. You only need 32 gb if you're doing alot more stuff then game such as recording and video editing....

That's exactly what I said... [/quote]
No, You said multi tasking in general. You can have two monitors and watch youtube on seconth screen, or have a stream open of someone, and you wouldnt even notice it.

[RotGoblin]

Originally posted by Kiririn:

Don't buy a 5600x for Wilds. Also 16GB of RAM is not the way to go in 2025 if you can avoid it. For just playing games it should be ok but if you like multi-tasking while gaming go for 32GB.

I quite literally game with my OperaGX open, which I ♥♥♥♥ you not has nearly 100 open tabs on it.

16Gb is still plenty of RAM. I'd grab 32 if I built it today because the price difference is minimal, but it wasn't when I built the machine.

[Kiririn]

Originally posted by Goblin:

Originally posted by Kiririn:

Don't buy a 5600x for Wilds. Also 16GB of RAM is not the way to go in 2025 if you can avoid it. For just playing games it should be ok but if you like multi-tasking while gaming go for 32GB.

I quite literally game with my OperaGX open, which I ♥♥♥♥ you not has nearly 100 open tabs on it.

16Gb is still plenty of RAM. I'd grab 32 if I built it today because the price difference is minimal, but it wasn't when I built the machine.

For some games yes, for others no.

It really depends on the game and what you have running in the background. My experience has been that I have easily exceeded 16GB of RAM playing certain games while multi-tasking with dual monitors.

[kohlrak]

Originally posted by Goblin:

Originally posted by kohlrak:

How much is it listing your RX7800XT?

Also AM4, that would give a huge discount i'll admit.

Just over £450, which is about £30 more than I paid a few months ago.

Yes I wouldn't buy AM4 today, that's just my system which is playing Wilds beta at 1440p happily enough, the 5600X is dragging now but the 8 core is actually cheaper today.

That's fair. The thing right now is that people with the most trouble running the game and complaining are most likely going to have to buy whole new computers at this rate, which means AM5, which means no discounts, and that GPU market is scary right now. That said, i think in time it'll be fine, but to put it into context of launch date, this might not bode well for wilds. Long term it'll be fine, but this is not going to be like World at pulling in new people.

Also, alot of people bought their rigs in 2020 while they were locked in doors and are probably enjoying not racking up a huge credit bill, which is what they're ultimately going to have to do if they're smart and don't go for the previous gen and upgrade to a current gen mobo, which in turn means all new parts.

I think that's what we ultimately need to see here when dealing with those that can't run the game: we're looking at people with old rigs, some even pre-built with soldiered parts from companies like DELL, looking at an artificially inflated GPU market, at the beginning of a mobo generation (of which there are alot of defective models being sold), right after everyone's probably sent the PC-buying market into an oscilating cycle due to the pandemic.

Right now is not a good time to be upgrading. I built mine at the calm before the storm around october/november last year, and even that was chaotic because i started at the end of august and had to change my build due to parts selling out. I don't even have the CPU i started with, but that's a whole other topic. Either way, this is going to likely be reflected on release. You can already hear people complaining real bad about KCD2, and that's nothing like this game.