Ryzen 9 9900X Overclock - Lifting the CPU Bottleneck

[NeoX]

I made a little overclock test of my CPU and damn, when you lose that CPU bottleneck, the frames jump up like crazy. Lets start the with the vanilla performance numbers and data:

The System:
CPU: AMD Ryzen 9 9900X
Motherboard: Asus Prime X670E Pro Wifi – BV:3201
RAM: Corsair Vengence 64GB @ CL34 6000MT/s MCLK = UCLK
GPU: AMD Sapphire RX6900XT Nitro+ SE
NVMe: WD Black N850X
OS: Windows 11 Pro 64bit 24H2
Resolution: 1080P

The benchmark tests:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-uricga09EA

The Results:
Average Frames Native Maximum Settings Raytracing = 80,85fps
Average Frames FSR/Gen Maximum Settings Raytracing = 162,54fps
Average Frames Native Maximum Settings NO Raytracing = 89,58fps
Average Frames FSR/Gen Maximum Settings NO Raytracing = 174,4fps

Average Frames Native Medium Settings Raytracing = 92,81fps
Average Frames FSR/Gen Medium Settings Raytracing = 191,02fps
Average Frames Native Medium Settings NO Raytracing = 99,7fps
Average Frames FSR/Gen Medium Settings NO Raytracing = 199,32fps

Average Frames Native Minimum Settings Raytracing = 99,13fps
Average Frames FSR/Gen Minimum Settings Raytracing = 197,97fps
Average Frames Native Minimum Settings NO Raytracing = 103,85fps
Average Frames FSR/Gen Minimum Settings NO Raytracing = 211,72fps


Now lets pay attention to one very specific test:
Configuration: 1080P - Native(No FSR/Gen) - High Raytracing - Maximum Settings

With these CPU performance numbers:

AMD Ryzen 9 9900X Standard:
Base Clock: 4400 MHz
All Core max clock: 5200 MHz
PBO: 5650 MHz

The Result:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3425952316
81 fps average

Now lets see what we can achive if we overclock the CPU quite massively to make sure the GPU is always loaded 99-100%:

AMD Ryzen 9 9900X Overclocked:
Base Clock: 4700 MHz
All Core max clock: 5500 MHz
PBO: 6000 MHz

The Result:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3426202214
102 fps average

20 fps uplift just by more CPU power! Nothing else changed, only massive overclock.

So i guess if we want to improve Performance in the future, there will be only a CPU-Core upgrade if we are not GPU-VRAM bottlenecked by the Resolution we Play on.

Also, NO! It does NOT run stable. I had to Restart my System and the Benchmark like 6 times before i had a complete run. After reseting back to vanilla CPU Clock numbers, everything was stable and not crashing anymore. Not sure if the crashes were Benchmark related or to System stability Overall (did only crash at or in the middle of the Benchmark, never outside).

This is something i wanted to test and share, to see how impactfull the CPU Bottleneck is (and to have something for these who still refuse to accept it). Bad performance? Check your CPU 1st.

[NeoX]

Postat inițial de JudgeTy:

Postat inițial de NeoX:

Yeah here we can clearly see the CPU bottleneck. Its massive on your end. letting the GPU load drop even below 60% with the few CPU cores/threads hitting their max load.



Nope, you just have proven that you have an even bigger CPU bottleneck then me in my example. If you would not have that CPU bottleneck, your GPU load would not drop down to 60% here in the village scene. I am sorry, but your conclusion is completely wrong as the numbers prove.

Except that's not their max load. My max gaming CPU load is 98.3%. The highest my CPU ever got was 89%. I have head room

A ~2 second loading transition for clearing memory then from caching from NVME to MEMORY does not make the game a CPU intensive game.

Two can play at the that game. We can see how your GPU is MAXED OUT (if you are calling 89% max...) 80% of the video. Come on man, the game is GPU sensitive. Your own video proves it. Oh sure we can see 2 areas where the CPU has to load new game state transitions for 2 seconds ...which again Isn't actually going to happen in the game with an open world. What about the other 98% of the game...

Buddy, please accept the facts. You do not only have these CPU bottlenecks with your GPU way below the 99-100% load in one scene but again and again like myself. This is a CPU bottleneck. As you can see in the OP post, i managed to lift that bottleneck by simply OC my CPU so my GPU was truly loaded 99-100% the whole time, what resulted in ther 20fps average improvement. This is a confirmation. You can just not ignore these numbers and scenes (like yours) just because you do not like the conclusion. Nobody says the game is not GPU intensive, but so far, every CPu has been bottlenecked the game if the GPU is not too weak compared to the CPU. Just like we can see in yours. Massice CPU bottleneck.

Also people before you say "its not 100% CPU loaded", single threads/cores of the CPU are holding you back with them being fully loaded. Not the global load. Please see the difference.

Postat inițial de JudgeTy:

https://youtu.be/-uricga09EA Your own video at 3:50. Get out of here.

CPU 30% , GPU 99%

Wow talking to you hurts sometimes. Like you are a 14 years old kid who can not understand how things work and only relies to unrelated things, because the other stuff is too complex for them.

Listen if all of this is too complicated for you, just leave. So far all what i can see is someone who is not capabile to understand and accept the situation. The example you just provided is one scene where the GPU is loaded, but 80% of the whole rest its not. There the CPU is holding it back. Like on your end (proven by yourself). I know you do not want this to be true, but it is. If you have such trouble accepting that, just leave and come back later when you got a better technical understanding of things.

So far all i see here is a kid who things he is smart, but only yell nonesense and even insists on it.

[JudgeTy]

Postat inițial de JudgeTy:

https://youtu.be/-uricga09EA Your own video at 3:50. Get out of here.

CPU 30% , GPU 99% your at 56.41 fps

me...

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3433870910

CPU 76% , GPU 99% 76 FPS.

Postat inițial de NeoX:

Postat inițial de JudgeTy:

Except that's not their max load. My max gaming CPU load is 98.3%. The highest my CPU ever got was 89%. I have head room

A ~2 second loading transition for clearing memory then from caching from NVME to MEMORY does not make the game a CPU intensive game.

Two can play at the that game. We can see how your GPU is MAXED OUT (if you are calling 89% max...) 80% of the video. Come on man, the game is GPU sensitive. Your own video proves it. Oh sure we can see 2 areas where the CPU has to load new game state transitions for 2 seconds ...which again Isn't actually going to happen in the game with an open world. What about the other 98% of the game...

Buddy, please accept the facts. You do not only have these CPU bottlenecks with your GPU way below the 99-100% load in one scene but again and again like myself. This is a CPU bottleneck. As you can see in the OP post, i managed to lift that bottleneck by simply OC my CPU so my GPU was truly loaded 99-100% the whole time, what resulted in ther 20fps average improvement. This is a confirmation. You can just not ignore these numbers and scenes (like yours) just because you do not like the conclusion. Nobody says the game is not GPU intensive, but so far, every CPu has been bottlenecked the game if the GPU is not too weak compared to the CPU. Just like we can see in yours. Massice CPU bottleneck.

Also people before you say "its not 100% CPU loaded", single threads/cores of the CPU are holding you back with them being fully loaded. Not the global load. Please see the difference.

Accept the facts??

Postat inițial de JudgeTy:

https://youtu.be/-uricga09EA Your own video at 3:50. Get out of here.

CPU 30% , GPU 99% your at 56.41 fps

me...

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3433870910

CPU 76% , GPU 99% 76 FPS.

My system is spanking yours. That's the facts.

[NeoX]

Postat inițial de JudgeTy:

Postat inițial de JudgeTy:

https://youtu.be/-uricga09EA Your own video at 3:50. Get out of here.

CPU 30% , GPU 99% your at 56.41 fps

me...

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3433870910

CPU 76% , GPU 99% 76 FPS.

Postat inițial de NeoX:

Buddy, please accept the facts. You do not only have these CPU bottlenecks with your GPU way below the 99-100% load in one scene but again and again like myself. This is a CPU bottleneck. As you can see in the OP post, i managed to lift that bottleneck by simply OC my CPU so my GPU was truly loaded 99-100% the whole time, what resulted in ther 20fps average improvement. This is a confirmation. You can just not ignore these numbers and scenes (like yours) just because you do not like the conclusion. Nobody says the game is not GPU intensive, but so far, every CPu has been bottlenecked the game if the GPU is not too weak compared to the CPU. Just like we can see in yours. Massice CPU bottleneck.

Also people before you say "its not 100% CPU loaded", single threads/cores of the CPU are holding you back with them being fully loaded. Not the global load. Please see the difference.

Accept the facts??

Postat inițial de JudgeTy:

https://youtu.be/-uricga09EA Your own video at 3:50. Get out of here.

CPU 30% , GPU 99% your at 56.41 fps

me...

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3433870910

CPU 76% , GPU 99% 76 FPS.

My system is spanking yours. That's the facts.

Aha, wow thats a massive observation you made there. A RTX4080Super beating a RX6900XT, now thats some cutting edge sience observation you did there. Impressive, like this must be the highlight of your day. I mean sure we can just ignore i got better fps then you in the village and CPU intensive(Bottlenecked) areas since you are even more CPU bottlenecked since me, but logical conlusions are clearly out of your capabile spectrum. Lets all clap for you, you seem to need it quite hard...

*clap* *clap* *clap*

Now can you please leave this topic to the grownups who do understand what they are talking about. This is not your Kindergarden.

[Dae]

Man, this thread is ageing like milk. It was already irrelevant from the get go as the game is proven to be un-optimised, but it just keeps getting chunkier.

[NeoX]

Postat inițial de Dae:

Man, this thread is ageing like milk. It was already irrelevant from the get go as the game is proven to be un-optimised, but it just keeps getting chunkier.

No really, since with the GPU optimasations in the future thanks to patches, the CPU bottleneck will become even more intensive, since this will be the one thing they won't truly fix or improve.

[JudgeTy]

Postat inițial de NeoX:

Postat inițial de JudgeTy:

Accept the facts??



My system is spanking yours. That's the facts.

Aha, wow thats a massive observation you made there. A RTX4080Super beating a RX6900XT, now thats some cutting edge sience observation you did there. Impressive, like this must be the highlight of your day. Lets all clap for you, you seem to need it quite hard...

*clap* *clap* *clap*

Now can you please leave this topic to the grownups who do understand what they are talking about. This is not your Kindergarden.

Well if the GAME was more CPU intensive... Shouldn't you be decimating my 2021 i5?!!!!!!

Come on make it, make sense.

Your own frame rate drops down to 54 in the same area multiple times. It's almost like the new environment texture pop in loads are affecting FPS.

[NeoX]

Postat inițial de JudgeTy:

Postat inițial de NeoX:

Aha, wow thats a massive observation you made there. A RTX4080Super beating a RX6900XT, now thats some cutting edge sience observation you did there. Impressive, like this must be the highlight of your day. Lets all clap for you, you seem to need it quite hard...

*clap* *clap* *clap*

Now can you please leave this topic to the grownups who do understand what they are talking about. This is not your Kindergarden.

Well if the GAME was more CPU intensive... Shouldn't you be decimating my 2021 i5?!!!!!!

Come on make it, make sense.

Your own frame rate drops down to 54 in the same area multiple times. It's almost like the new environment texture pop in loads are affecting FPS.

What are you talking about? Nothing you say makes any sense. I never did hit anything. All what we show and disguess here is the CPU bottleneck because of this games intensive CPU dependency. Stop making stuff up to come to the wrong conclusions.

Again, if this is all too much for you to undertand, just leave. We all know you lack the capability to understand this by now. Just go. There is no hope or reason with you.

I shared this thread with my coworkers (i am at work right now) and they started to have some theory about your mental capabilities. Lets just say it does not go well for you. Better leave and stop these nonesense posts with no logic behind them. Trust me, its better for you.

[JudgeTy]

Postat inițial de NeoX:

Postat inițial de JudgeTy:

Well if the GAME was more CPU intensive... Shouldn't you be decimating my 2021 i5?!!!!!!

Come on make it, make sense.

Your own frame rate drops down to 54 in the same area multiple times. It's almost like the new environment texture pop in loads are affecting FPS.

What are you talking about? Nothing you say makes any sense. I never did hit anything. All what we show and disguess here is the CPU bottleneck because of this games intensive CPU dependency. Stop making stuff up to come to the wrong conclusions.

Again, if this is all too much for you to undertand, just leave. We all know you lack the capability to understand this by now. Just go. There is no hope or reason with you.

I shared this thread with my coworkers (i am at work right now) and they started to have some theory about your mental capabilities. Lets just say it does not well for you. Better leave and stop these nonesense posts with no logic behind them. Trust me, its better for you.

Tell your coworkers that A 46 month old processor build is beating a 6 month old processor build.

But hey the game is CPU intensive!!

Gaslighting while at work to. Sure I'll trust you and your CPU intensive knowledge.

[NeoX]

Postat inițial de JudgeTy:

Postat inițial de NeoX:

What are you talking about? Nothing you say makes any sense. I never did hit anything. All what we show and disguess here is the CPU bottleneck because of this games intensive CPU dependency. Stop making stuff up to come to the wrong conclusions.

Again, if this is all too much for you to undertand, just leave. We all know you lack the capability to understand this by now. Just go. There is no hope or reason with you.

I shared this thread with my coworkers (i am at work right now) and they started to have some theory about your mental capabilities. Lets just say it does not well for you. Better leave and stop these nonesense posts with no logic behind them. Trust me, its better for you.

Tell your coworkers that A 46 month old processor build is beating a 6 month old processor build.

But hey the game is CPU intensive!!

Oh this hurts so much. You posted the scene where you are beaten by the way weaker GPU yourself, beacuse your CPU bottlenecks you so hard, mine easily outshine yours. How can you be so ignorant? I am very concerned about your mental state by now. Nobody can be that insisting on being wrong by pure lack of base inteligence.

[JudgeTy]

Postat inițial de NeoX:

Postat inițial de JudgeTy:

Tell your coworkers that A 46 month old processor build is beating a 6 month old processor build.

But hey the game is CPU intensive!!

Oh this hurts so much. You posted the scene where you are beaten by the way weaker GPU yourself, beacuse your CPU bottlenecks you so hard, mine easily outshine yours. How can you be so ignorant? I am very concerned about your mental state by now. Nobody can be that insisting on being wrong by pure lack of base inteligence.

Look bud, anyone that brings up mental health concerning others as a backhanded insult, is straight up trash.

Maybe that's cool over in your part of the world, but over here we are more civilized not barbarians.

[NeoX]

Postat inițial de JudgeTy:

Postat inițial de NeoX:

Oh this hurts so much. You posted the scene where you are beaten by the way weaker GPU yourself, beacuse your CPU bottlenecks you so hard, mine easily outshine yours. How can you be so ignorant? I am very concerned about your mental state by now. Nobody can be that insisting on being wrong by pure lack of base inteligence.

Look bud, anyone that brings up mental health concerning others as a backhanded insult, is straight up trash.

Maybe that's cool over in your part of the world, but over here we are more civilized not barbarians.

We try to find reasonable explainations for ones statements and behavior. Please do not see any of these observations as insults, but part as a medical conclusion.

How about we just end this here as adulds and end the conversation here. I tried to reason with you with facts and data that you refuse to admit and persist on your own conculsion.
Lets just part ways here, in peace.

[JudgeTy]

Postat inițial de NeoX:

Postat inițial de JudgeTy:

Look bud, anyone that brings up mental health concerning others as a backhanded insult, is straight up trash.

Maybe that's cool over in your part of the world, but over here we are more civilized not barbarians.

We try to find reasonable explainations for ones statements and behavior. Please do not see any of these observations as insults, but part as a medical conclusion.

How about we just end this here as adulds and end the conversation here. I tried to reason with you with facts and data that you refuse to admit and persist on your own conculsion.
Lets just part ways here, in peace.

We? Who the hell is we? This isn't therapy. We are looking at a game and how it runs. You are now trying to psychoanalyze people for the motives and methods. The WHY isn't a part of the discussion. This isn't the place. I'm guessing you are mid 20s based on your statements. Me saying that is cringe and on par with the last 2-3 responses out of you. It doesn't matter about you or your backstory OR Me. Your friends at work do not matter either. Your attempts to insult me are lame and beyond the scope of discussion.

I can safely say you are not a psychologist, therapist, or doctor. How do I know? The statements you've made as insults to others is proof enough to warrant suspension. So we can move beyond your back handed insults to make up for incredible wrong take on the game's performance being related to required specs.

We can go to the recommended specs given by Wilds.
https://www.monsterhunter.com/wilds/en-us/benchmark/

The minimum CPU for Ultra settings is literally my processor. It's mentioned by name. My processor is from 2021 (46 months ago).

The minimum GPU for Ultra settings is from 2023 (17-25 months ago).

The game is GPU bound not CPU bound. END OF STORY.

The data proves is, my score proves it. Rest In Peace.

[NeoX]

Postat inițial de JudgeTy:

Postat inițial de NeoX:

We try to find reasonable explainations for ones statements and behavior. Please do not see any of these observations as insults, but part as a medical conclusion.

How about we just end this here as adulds and end the conversation here. I tried to reason with you with facts and data that you refuse to admit and persist on your own conculsion.
Lets just part ways here, in peace.

We? Who the hell is we? This isn't therapy. We are looking at a game and how it runs. You are now trying to psychoanalyze people for the motives and methods. The WHY isn't a part of the discussion. This isn't the place. I'm guessing you are mid 20s based on your statements. Me saying that is cringe and on par with the last 2-3 responses out of you. It doesn't matter about you or your backstory OR Me. Your friends at work do not matter either. Your attempts to insult me are lame and beyond the scope of discussion.

I can safely say you are not a psychologist, therapist, or doctor. How do I know? The statements you've made as insults to others is proof enough to warrant suspension. So we can move beyond your back handed insults to make up for incredible wrong take on the game's performance being related to required specs.

We can go to the recommended specs giving by Wilds.
https://www.monsterhunter.com/wilds/en-us/benchmark/

The minimum CPU for Ultra settings is literally my processor. It's mentioned by name. My processor is from 2021 (46 months ago).

The minimum GPU for Ultra settings is from 2023 (17-25 months ago).

The game is GPU bound not CPU bound. END OF STORY.

The data proves is, my score proves it. Rest In Peace.

What are you talking about? Nothing you say makes any sense. All what we show and disguess here is the CPU bottleneck because of this games intensive CPU dependency. Stop making stuff up to come to the wrong conclusions.

It need some basic technological knowlege to understand these things here and you are obviously lacking it.

Again, if this is all too much for you to undertand, just leave. We all know you lack the capability to understand this by now. Just go. There is no hope or reason with you.

[JudgeTy]

Postat inițial de NeoX:

Postat inițial de JudgeTy:

We? Who the hell is we? This isn't therapy. We are looking at a game and how it runs. You are now trying to psychoanalyze people for the motives and methods. The WHY isn't a part of the discussion. This isn't the place. I'm guessing you are mid 20s based on your statements. Me saying that is cringe and on par with the last 2-3 responses out of you. It doesn't matter about you or your backstory OR Me. Your friends at work do not matter either. Your attempts to insult me are lame and beyond the scope of discussion.

I can safely say you are not a psychologist, therapist, or doctor. How do I know? The statements you've made as insults to others is proof enough to warrant suspension. So we can move beyond your back handed insults to make up for incredible wrong take on the game's performance being related to required specs.

We can go to the recommended specs giving by Wilds.
https://www.monsterhunter.com/wilds/en-us/benchmark/

The minimum CPU for Ultra settings is literally my processor. It's mentioned by name. My processor is from 2021 (46 months ago).

The minimum GPU for Ultra settings is from 2023 (17-25 months ago).

The game is GPU bound not CPU bound. END OF STORY.

The data proves is, my score proves it. Rest In Peace.

What are you talking about? Nothing you say makes any sense. All what we show and disguess here is the CPU bottleneck because of this games intensive CPU dependency. Stop making stuff up to come to the wrong conclusions.

It need some basic technological knowlege to understand these things here and you are obviously lacking it.

Again, if this is all too much for you to undertand, just leave. We all know you lack the capability to understand this by now. Just go. There is no hope or reason with you.

I have a BS in CompSci... I guarantee you, I know more about pc and builds than you.
I have the legendary achievement on 3DMark for one.

Let's analyze your statement.

"CPU bottleneck because of this games intensive CPU dependency."

Your CPU scores in your own video are around 30-45%, where as your GPU is around 80-90%. This is literally the opposite of what you just said. How is your CPU at 30-45% proving the game is CPU bound. If your CPU isn't maxing then it's not bound by it.

The game is GPU bottle-necked by over 70% the total score. The score is directly related to frame rate and frame timing accuracy.

[NeoX]

Postat inițial de JudgeTy:

Postat inițial de NeoX:

What are you talking about? Nothing you say makes any sense. All what we show and disguess here is the CPU bottleneck because of this games intensive CPU dependency. Stop making stuff up to come to the wrong conclusions.

It need some basic technological knowlege to understand these things here and you are obviously lacking it.

Again, if this is all too much for you to undertand, just leave. We all know you lack the capability to understand this by now. Just go. There is no hope or reason with you.

I have a BS in CompSci... I guarantee you, I know more about pc and builds than you.
I have the legendary achievement on 3DMark for one.

xD oh god this is so sad its funny. Ok just continue to make a fool out of yourself. This is such a nonesense, its already comedy! xD
please go on, we are having such a laugh right now about you and since you insist on your BS, we will maybe make a Dunning-Kruger example video out of your replies for others to get the same entertainment as we have here with you.

If there is no reason and hope with you, we can just make the most out of you and your complete nonesense. Oh man, this stupidity is pure comedy gold.