How the dev's need to adress the leaderboards at this point

[FallenActual]

Honestly with the sheer amount of cheaters on the event leader-boards, Myself having a sub 3 minute kill and not even near being on the leader-boards, the devs should just give everyone who achieved say a sub 4 or 3 minute IE 'SS' rank the pendant and go back to the drawing board on how future rewards are handed out, since they don't have an anti cheat in place ahead of putting rewards behind a competitive challenge...

Award and comment if you agree so this can get more eyes.

[OnePunchGay]

yea free pendant, it ugly tho lol

[Gaidax]

Seems like CAPCOM agrees, they are changing such contests to only require A rank clear for all the rewards starting next patch, including current contest.

[Gaidax]

Kiririn の投稿を引用：

Would you look at that lol.

They obviously don't have a good way to detect cheating like were saying the whole time.

Balalexikon の投稿を引用：

They have changed the Challenge Quest:

https://x.com/monsterhunter/status/1912105873326882924

Yeah, it only makes sense.

And even if they would have the means, I don't think they want to deal with all the whining, appeals and sob stories. They'd rather give this all up for free and not deal with this headache.

[ingueferroque]

Balalexikon の投稿を引用：

They have changed the Challenge Quest:

https://x.com/monsterhunter/status/1912105873326882924

That is crazy!

[Kiririn]

Did anyone actually believe they were going to be searching discords, reddit, YouTube, forums, etc and attempt to validate speed runs that they have no way of verifying are actually legit? Lol

This a good move nonetheless. It was silly to link limited rewards to a Capcom leader board.

[ingueferroque]

Kiririn の投稿を引用：

Did anyone actually believe they were going to be searching discords, reddit, YouTube, forums, etc and attempt to validate speed runs that they have no way of verifying are actually legit? Lol

This a good move nonetheless. It was silly to link limited rewards to a Capcom leader board.

Under 2 minutes would have been an easy way to verify, it just isn't possible.

[The Debauchery]

Balalexikon の投稿を引用：

They have changed the Challenge Quest:

https://x.com/monsterhunter/status/1912105873326882924

Now everybody needs to thank the hackers for incentivising Crapcom to retcon their bad decision.
After all, without all these "cheaters" lots of people wouldn't be getting the final award now. Only the 10000 "best" people would be getting it. But due to the unstinting efforts of lunatics with clock-hacks and one-hit-kill trying to be better than everyone else, EVERYONE can get the ugly dangly thing just for getting an A rank!

Crapcom have really sent the right message here: that "cheating" is a perfectly valid form of protest.


That aside... everyone should probably still do their civic duty and report the first few pages of the leaderboards... not just for the challenge but for the regular Arena quests too.

Kiririn の投稿を引用：

Did anyone actually believe they were going to be searching discords, reddit, YouTube, forums, etc and attempt to validate speed runs that they have no way of verifying are actually legit? Lol

Taking a Guilty-Until-Proven-Innocent approach would really hurt Crapcom's reputation. People aren't necessarily guilty of hacking just because they haven't posted a video of their run on Youtube or Discord. Not everybody records everything they do... which might come as a surprise to some in 2025.

ingueferroque の投稿を引用：

Under 2 minutes would have been an easy way to verify, it just isn't possible.

Go look on Youtube. There are a few recorded instances of times below 2 minutes.

[Moon Punisher]

Kiririn の投稿を引用：

Did anyone actually believe they were going to be searching discords, reddit, YouTube, forums, etc and attempt to validate speed runs that they have no way of verifying are actually legit? Lol

This a good move nonetheless. It was silly to link limited rewards to a Capcom leader board.

They never did, the game doesnt have anticheat.
The best they could ever have done is cut people which kill the monster in a few seconds lols.
The true and only real concern is they ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ up the future of the game, like banning mods via anticheat and so on IN THE FUTURE. For right now, they can do ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.

[FallenActual]

Moon Punisher の投稿を引用：

Kiririn の投稿を引用：

Did anyone actually believe they were going to be searching discords, reddit, YouTube, forums, etc and attempt to validate speed runs that they have no way of verifying are actually legit? Lol

This a good move nonetheless. It was silly to link limited rewards to a Capcom leader board.

They never did, the game doesnt have anticheat.
The best they could ever have done is cut people which kill the monster in a few seconds lols.
The true and only real concern is they ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ up the future of the game, like banning mods via anticheat and so on IN THE FUTURE. For right now, they can do ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.

maybe a happy middle ground is curated mod page they allow checked mods to be on everything else like cheats are banned through auto anti cheat

[Moon Punisher]

FallenActual の投稿を引用：

Moon Punisher の投稿を引用：

They never did, the game doesnt have anticheat.
The best they could ever have done is cut people which kill the monster in a few seconds lols.
The true and only real concern is they ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ up the future of the game, like banning mods via anticheat and so on IN THE FUTURE. For right now, they can do ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.

maybe a happy middle ground is curated mod page they allow checked mods to be on everything else like cheats are banned through auto anti cheat

Mate, my mod list is basically 18+, by western standards anyway, mods.
There is no way it would be on such list haha and there is no way I would bother playing this game now at the 100+ hours mark without it either.
So I hope they dont ruin it, but we will see.
The fact they moved the rewards for the category and stopped bothering with ranks might be a good sign that they understand that ranking were a terrible idea from the start.

[Kiririn]

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Kiririn の投稿を引用：

What if they accidentally validate a PC video that was of a cheater who used a dualsense controller making the game show PS prompts?

Dr. Raven の投稿を引用：

So this the misunderstanding. No, they would not ban for times on the spot, traditionally banning would come just as they're about to finalize times. No they would not rely on uploaded speedruns, that's why I said capcom could just do things more easily by looking at internal data, of PS5 times at the end of the event and compare.

The funny thing is the post you're responding too does in fact prove how much work has to go into stealth cheating. That you would have to find fan discords, forums, sites. Yet you would have to be a cheater who doesn't lose interest in the game. You can try googling the quickest time I found that's legit, a 1:50.21. You simply can't find it on google. In fact googling speedruns for this mission gives you useless information and times that have been severally outclassed. The reason why google is so unhelpful is because finding stuff in another language is impossible. In order to find that time you have to be a member of fan communities. Aka you'd have to do real research in order to cheat.

[FallenActual]

Kiririn の投稿を引用：

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Kiririn の投稿を引用：

What if they accidentally validate a PC video that was of a cheater who used a dualsense controller making the game show PS prompts?

would seem so, but this is why damage numbers, DPS, monster health ect should be monitored or saved in a submited time

[Dr. Raven]

Kiririn の投稿を引用：

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Kiririn の投稿を引用：

What if they accidentally validate a PC video that was of a cheater who used a dualsense controller making the game show PS prompts?

I answered your strawman ages ago.

Dr. Raven の投稿を引用：

And I'm not suggested the last part. I would only want them to use internal data, of what the best times coming out of PS5 playerbase is/was and use that as a metric to enforce against cheaters. Cheaters would not have access to that internal data.

You can't trick Wilds/Capcom into thinking you're on the PS5 by plugging in a playstation controller into your PC. You can try it, I play with an xbox controller, when I matchmake via my platform only, I run across Steam users.

[Kiririn]

You only want them to use internal data on PS alone? That does change things from what I had imagined.

Well, thankfully they chose a completely different and more fair thing.

[Dr. Raven]

Kiririn の投稿を引用：

You only want them to use internal data on PS alone? That does change things from what I had imagined.

Well, thankfully they chose a completely different and more fair thing.

They chose nothing different because it's completely unrelated. I said the pendant is ugly and unimportant but that they should use this opportunity to bait cheaters and mass ban based on statistics. In the same way that Minecraft anti-cheat bans x-ray players using statistics.


We still don't know what line they're gonna draw on who gets banned. We won't likely know what that line is even after this event finishes and they deal out those bans. Objectively speaking, in the past they've only banned about half the rage cheaters in previous Capcom event leaderboards. A thing that made everyone playing those games extremely salty and eventually quit competing. They likely will continue this method of enforcement against cheating.