Bow is boring now, thx Capcom

[Foe]

Capcom killed the DP Build, now I have to jump around like a circus acrobat. Before The update we had two builds.

DP was a high risk high reward play style. You get smashed super easy but you also dealt a lot of damage.

Now there is only power volly…

[Platapoop]

Yeah... They should have nerfed it just enough to not be top dps. However, it's also "only" a 20% nerf so... could be worse?

[[Asgard] Thor]

Bow has never been better. You can still just DP and lop off those tails or tentacles, it'll just take you one more minute to kill a monster.

[Qua2ar]

The funny thing is that most of the "new" tools bow got in wilds are worthless.
DP was always bad, except for 1 matchup.
Thousand dragons is trash.
The arrow rain was bad in all monster hunter games and still is.
Tracer is useless since it competes with coatings.
Pierce coatings do bad even in favorable matchups.


What's left is dash dancing close range coating powershot spam.

[Ruxcy]

Originally posted by Qua2ar:

The funny thing is that most of the "new" tools bow got in wilds are worthless.
DP was always bad, except for 1 matchup.
Thousand dragons is trash.
The arrow rain was bad in all monster hunter games and still is.
Tracer is useless since it competes with coatings.
Pierce coatings do bad even in favorable matchups.


What's left is dash dancing close range coating powershot spam.

Thousand dragons is pretty good. Unless they nerfed it in TU1 (I have no clue).

[Qua2ar]

Originally posted by Ruxcy:

Originally posted by Qua2ar:

The funny thing is that most of the "new" tools bow got in wilds are worthless.
DP was always bad, except for 1 matchup.
Thousand dragons is trash.
The arrow rain was bad in all monster hunter games and still is.
Tracer is useless since it competes with coatings.
Pierce coatings do bad even in favorable matchups.


What's left is dash dancing close range coating powershot spam.

Thousand dragons is pretty good. Unless they nerfed it in TU1 (I have no clue).

It's about as strong as 1.5 powershots.....................so......................just do those, since they are faster too lol.

[qpDarKqp]

Don't be a baby. You sound like a "Foe" to yourself.

[The Debauchery]

Originally posted by Qua2ar:

Pierce coatings do bad even in favorable matchups.
...
What's left is dash dancing close range coating powershot spam.

You might as well use a bladey weapon if you're using the trash CR coating.
Pierce is far better. Smaller monsters on their own warrant Power Coatings, but any situation with a large monster (e.g. Uth Duna), a long monster (e.g. Mizutsune), multiple monsters (large or small) practically requires Pierce Coatings.

Originally posted by Ruxcy:

Thousand dragons is pretty good. Unless they nerfed it in TU1 (I have no clue).

Thousand Dragons is trash for the same reason Close Range coatings are trash: No range.
You have to be right up against the monster's pixels to hit it, which defeats the entire purpose of being a Gunner in the first place.

[Qua2ar]

Originally posted by The Debauchery:

Originally posted by Qua2ar:

Pierce coatings do bad even in favorable matchups.
...
What's left is dash dancing close range coating powershot spam.

You might as well use a bladey weapon if you're using the trash CR coating.
Pierce is far better. Smaller monsters on their own warrant Power Coatings, but any situation with a large monster (e.g. Uth Duna), a long monster (e.g. Mizutsune), multiple monsters (large or small) practically requires Pierce Coatings.

Originally posted by Ruxcy:

Thousand dragons is pretty good. Unless they nerfed it in TU1 (I have no clue).

Thousand Dragons is trash for the same reason Close Range coatings are trash: No range.
You have to be right up against the monster's pixels to hit it, which defeats the entire purpose of being a Gunner in the first place.

Bro, close range gives you 40% damage buff, that's unbeatable. It's not fun to use, but it is what it is.

I guess pierce is better then using no coatings at all, barely.

[Platapoop]

Bow has always been a basically melee weapon

[The Debauchery]

Originally posted by Qua2ar:

Bro, close range gives you 40% damage buff, that's unbeatable. It's not fun to use, but it is what it is.

Last I checked Power Coatings were 50%, unless they've nerfed them... which wouldn't surprise me. I mean they're infinite now, so they probably were nerfed.
Anyway, you're not seeing the big picture: Monsters move around A LOT. Any time you're not in range, you're not dealing that damage... and Close Range Coatings cripple the already inadequate Bow range. It is practically impossible to play Bow normally without max Ballistics skill. You might get more off in a single shot, but I stay in critical range of the monster almost constantly and my DPS is consistent. That is THE Gunner advantage over blademasters. It would be folly to squander it.

I guess pierce is better then using no coatings at all, barely.

Pierce is a lot better when you've actually got enough range for it to proc damage down the full length of the monster. All the moreso with Elemental Damage, which Bows generally should be geared towards.

Originally posted by Platapoop:

Bow has always been a basically melee weapon

Bow has NEVER been a "basically melee weapon". World and Wilds might have a screwed up mandatory-spread Power-Shot, but all that means is it is better not to bother power-shotting unless the monster comes close. Every other MH game, Power-Shots have followed the shot type of the Bow itself. That is the way it should be. Heck, Rise actually made Pierce Bows the most viable option for the first time ever, so its range was the longest it has ever been. World / Wilds Bows are just dumbed down. Still usable, but definitely dumbed down.

[Razzle]

me who only ever loved bow in wilds cuz they did it super extremely well

[Sákuyá]

bow is the best it has ever been since mhf2 even a 50% dmg nerf would still place it in the top 3

[Aoitenshi]

It's a similar case with other weapons. SAED was meta before Charge Blade gets a new axe mode in Iceborne. Perfect rush was meta before Sword and Shield gets the Charged Chop move in Wilds.

[Foe]

Originally posted by qpDarKqp:

Don't be a baby. You sound like a "Foe" to yourself. :praisesun:

I like your salt thank you.

[The Debauchery]

Originally posted by Sákuyá:

bow is the best it has ever been since mhf2 even a 50% dmg nerf would still place it in the top 3

I'd stlil rather go back to MHGU movesets for all weapons... including Bow. Well, the moveset without GU's aim mode. The aiming was fine in World and Rise. It is kinda tangled up with target-cam crap now due to janky "Focus Mode" nonsense.